So much hate against him. A real nasty guy that turned polite and well manered players into a raging mob. As it is common in the minis wargaming world...from the Top to oblivion.

But in the middle point we can find perfection. Try this. "Zuckuss can only modify dices if he has two or less stress tokens". Not unlimited usage. No need to be a Virgin. Zuckuss is a Dirty Player...do not castrate him.

And my main concern about him remains unsolved. Zuckuss in a C-ROC.

Fly casual. Fly having fun. As usual the Law of the Pendulum. Zuckuss his Highness today. Zuckuss Hussein Gadaffi tomorrow. Look for the middle point.

And have fun trying.

1 minute ago, Hexdot said:

So much hate against him. A real nasty guy that turned polite and well manered players into a raging mob. As it is common in the minis wargaming world...from the Top to oblivion.

But in the middle point we can find perfection. Try this. "Zuckuss can only modify dices if he has two or less stress tokens". Not unlimited usage. No need to be a Virgin. Zuckuss is a Dirty Player...do not castrate him.

And my main concern about him remains unsolved. Zuckuss in a C-ROC.

Fly casual. Fly having fun. As usual the Law of the Pendulum. Zuckuss his Highness today. Zuckuss Hussein Gadaffi tomorrow. Look for the middle point.

And have fun trying.

Man, you're really upset about the game being better now. Were you a Dengaroo pilot?

Zuckuss is like a crew-Crack Shot that might be reusable later in the game. And he's still good on 4-LOM, so I'm okay with the change. I have no problems with him being used on the C-ROC.

Zuckuss is also really fine now under the case of "reroll 1 of your target's defense dice dice" every turn which is still pretty fair for 1 point.

Give him the title and Veteran Instincts or Attanni and he's still a mean old mother.

26 minutes ago, nigeltastic said:

Zuckuss is also really fine now under the case of "reroll 1 of your target's defense dice dice" every turn which is still pretty fair for 1 point.

True. M9-G8 pays 3 points for that, but no stress. He certainly seems balanced for 1 point.

31 minutes ago, Razgriz25thinf said:

Man, you're really upset about the game being better now. Were you a Dengaroo pilot?

He was also seen on a Party Bus. Now that Zuckuss is nerfed, hes like an inverted Elusiveness. And who plays that? He's relatively useless now. I would have much preferred a Primed Thrusters stress cap. That way you can manage the stress and still have a change to use him again. Now you just reroll one die if you want to keep using it.

3 minutes ago, MegaSilver said:

He was also seen on a Party Bus. Now that Zuckuss is nerfed, hes like an inverted Elusiveness. And who plays that? He's relatively useless now. I would have much preferred a Primed Thrusters stress cap. That way you can manage the stress and still have a change to use him again. Now you just reroll one die if you want to keep using it.

It's a one point upgrade that allows you to reroll any or all of your opponent's defense dice. The payoff is super excellent, the downside based on cost should be super harsh, and there should be thought behind your decision. You either take the safe bet of 1 reroll, or go ham and reroll it all, but you're definitely not using it any time soon and you're gonna have heaps of stress. For a 1 point upgrade, it's where it should be. Zuckuss in his earlier form should've cost 3 or more points.

1 hour ago, Hexdot said:

And my main concern about him remains unsolved. Zuckuss in a C-ROC.

OK I may be missing something here but epic ships have no way of clearing stress, there are no colors but white on the dial even double checked my CR90 dial for it. So Zuckuss on a C-Roc is a one time use. If I'm wrong please correct me but in a nice non-rude way thanks!

10 minutes ago, AdamGATX105 said:

OK I may be missing something here but epic ships have no way of clearing stress, there are no colors but white on the dial even double checked my CR90 dial for it. So Zuckuss on a C-Roc is a one time use. If I'm wrong please correct me but in a nice non-rude way thanks!

Stress assigned to an Epic ship is immediately discarded.

There is no Stress with Huge ships. Simply ignored. So Zuckuss is totally broken on a C ROC now. I imagine Stress will influence Epic ships in a near future.

But not today. This FAQ is about 100/6 games. And Zuckuss aboard one Epic ship is... Jojojo.

So we implemented the 2 Stress limit last Spring.

1 hour ago, Hexdot said:

But in the middle point we can find perfection. Try this. "Zuckuss can only modify dices if he has two or less stress tokens". Not unlimited usage. No need to be a Virgin. Zuckuss is a Dirty Player...do not castrate him.

. . .

Fly casual. Fly having fun. As usual the Law of the Pendulum. Zuckuss his Highness today. Zuckuss Hussein Gadaffi tomorrow. Look for the middle point.

I am a poet.

He costs 1 point!.

If you want to clear two stress, team him with an inspiring recruit.

He's still stupid good.

The major nerf is that he can't be used together with Stim.

Other than that the sky is falling.

I didn't see that many mist hunters before. Was he even in the meta?

And seriously who cares if hes op now on Croc? Whole Epic is centered about finding most op combos.

8 hours ago, MegaSilver said:

He was also seen on a Party Bus. Now that Zuckuss is nerfed, hes like an inverted Elusiveness. And who plays that? He's relatively useless now. I would have much preferred a Primed Thrusters stress cap. That way you can manage the stress and still have a change to use him again. Now you just reroll one die if you want to keep using it.

Zuckuss is still a solid upgrade that is easily worth the squad point and the crew slot you spend on him.

Elusiveness is a 3 point upgrade instead of a 1 point upgrade. Elusiveness also gets the bad end of green dice having 3/8 of their faces having evade results while Zuckuss comes out ahead in that deal which makes Zuckuss more likely to pay off then Elusiveness. Zuckuss also has the option of taking more stress to reroll more than one die.

Even getting the ****-end of the probability stick, Elusiveness might actually see some play if it only cost a point and let you reroll as many dice as you'd like.

1 hour ago, Vitalis said:

And seriously who cares if hes op now on Croc? Whole Epic is centered about finding most op combos.

I fear our experience with Epic is quite disimilar. IMHO 100/6 is about combos. Epic is about thematic games. But I agree that you can build very crazy lists in Epic

12 hours ago, Razgriz25thinf said:

Man, you're really upset about the game being better now. Were you a Dengaroo pilot?

How do you KNOW the game is better now?

We have no data since the changes are brand new. It might be better, or it might be a bomb and TLT Ghost fest. No way to know for sure until we see some tournaments

I have very, very little experience with Tier lists playing for a prize. Probably better now I think. My concern is about broken OP cards going from top to bottom. We have seen this before, so often. Motorcycles and Warhammer 40.000 per example.

We FFG release Imp Vets. No need to be very good with your maths to see X7 was simply too good. We sell Imp Vets. Then nerf. And thisneeded a nerf. And Zuckuss.

What I try to say is that Zuckuss is a very interesting card and not broken if limited to 2 stress or less. There are cards limited that way (Lambda pilot, Primed Thrusters...).

Of course only in friendly games with your friends. We nerfed him this way... before release. Try variants.

12 hours ago, nigeltastic said:

Zuckuss is also really fine now under the case of "reroll 1 of your target's defense dice dice" every turn which is still pretty fair for 1 point.

Stick him with Inspiring Recruit you can get 2 per turn. Stick him on 4LOM you can get 2 per turn.

You just have to use him a little more judiciously, and you can't just keep stacking stress forever and not caring about it.

Seems like a solid card for a point now (broadly speaking equivalent in value to crack shot or Juke - not guaranteed to work, but can be used on a much bigger set of dice at once, or repeatedly every round), rather than an outrageously undercosted one.

Before people get excited about Zuckuss on the C-ROC remember than Epic has a ban list for crew on Huge Ships. Navigator's on it, Gunner used to be on it. Zuckuss'll end up on that.