About this time last year, Rebel Regen was the New Hotness(TM). Then U-Boats and the rest of Wave 8 arrived and the party was pretty much over. Even with U-boats nerfed, the rise of Defenders as the games top Jousters has meant that regen hasn't really resurfaced.

Now we have plenty of new toys from HOTR as well as a (very) shiny new support ship in the shape of Sabine's Tie Fighter so I wondered if there was any life left in the old dog. One of the problems with Regen historically was that Poe was a rather anaemic ace. But at PS9 and with some of the new Tech upgrades from HOTR, he starts to look a bit sturdier. Red Ace is fine just the way she always was. The Tie support IMHO boils down to either Ahsoka or Rex. Ahsoka provides better support by boosting the squad's action efficiency a bit and can stay hidden from all but the top aces with the Title. Rex is more like a mini-Biggs but can also provide decent support, particularly with Jyn Erso on board so feed Poe extra Focus tokens (important if he gets stressed or runs up against a Hotshot Copilot). With that in mind, I have put together 2 lists that I think could have mileage. Any thoughts?

44 Poe9 (33), Predator (3), R5-P9 (3), Autothrusters (2), Primed Thrusters (1), Black One (1)
36 Red Ace (29), R2-D2 (4), Comms Relay (3), IA (0)
19 Ahsoka (17), VI (1), Captured Tie (1)
99 Total

Red Ace is a tank and if she survives to the end game, all should be good. Ahsoka is there to boost the action economy of whoever needs it most. Poe has Predator to enhance his offence without TLs so he can use his action to Focus. Primed Thrusters allow him to Boost even if stressed or pulling a red. The initiative bid is handy when facing Paratanni.

44 Poe9 (33), PTL (3), R5-P9 (3), Autothrusters (2), Pattern Analyzer (2), Black One (1)
36 Red Ace (29), R2-D2 (4), Comms Relay (3), IA (0)
17 Rex (14), Sabine's Masterpiece (1), Jyn Erso (2)
98 Total

This build has a slightly better Poe. Rex can feed him a Focus token and then do 2 of Boost, TL or even Focus again (without Stress on a green). Rex also helps reduce incoming fire somewhat which enhances the regen of the two T70s

Thoughts and feedback welcome.

On the first one, would you feel comfortable dropping Primed Thrusters for Pattern Analyzer and going without the bid? Poe is always going to want his Focus, and PA would allow him to get that even after a red maneuver. I know losing that bid puts a damper on things, so maybe even drop the title to go back down to 99 squad points? Without PtL, Poe probably won't be boosting a whole lot.

On the second one...man, I love Rex, but that poor guy blows up so **** quickly. I've found he definitely is a mini-Biggs, but has almost no chance of survival from a first turn focus fire. Often, he doesn't even get his shot off when I play him. I think that first round of fire off your aces might be worth it as a naked Rex, but I don't think I trust his survival to put any more points into him.

Thanks for the suggestions. The plan for the Rex list would be to try and advance slowly so the initial engagement would be at R3. This would allow Rex to slap down his suppressive fire and hopefully have it last into the next turn. It would also keep the T70s where their autothrusters can do the most good.

One the other hand, if I ditch Rex's upgrades, what do i spend the extra points on? Some plasma torps for Poe look decent on paper perhaps to help token-strip any fat targets? Or just buy him a hull upgrade to help deal with the inevitable ISYTDS?

In the Ahsoka list, I see the value of PA. The question then is whether I should switch Predator for PTL so as to take 2 actions on turns I am pulling a green?

13 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

Thanks for the suggestions. The plan for the Rex list would be to try and advance slowly so the initial engagement would be at R3. This would allow Rex to slap down his suppressive fire and hopefully have it last into the next turn. It would also keep the T70s where their autothrusters can do the most good.

One the other hand, if I ditch Rex's upgrades, what do i spend the extra points on? Some plasma torps for Poe look decent on paper perhaps to help token-strip any fat targets? Or just buy him a hull upgrade to help deal with the inevitable ISYTDS?

In the Ahsoka list, I see the value of PA. The question then is whether I should switch Predator for PTL so as to take 2 actions on turns I am pulling a green?

Rex list - Timing that initial R3 engagement might be a challenge against some lists like Defenders or large base ships....they can move so **** fast. I agree that's what you want to do, I've just found it can be tough to pull off. I was wondering the same thing...what to spend those points on if Rex goes naked. You could put AT on Red Ace, maybe with Primed Thrusters? I wouldn't think ordnance would do much for you.

Ahsoka list - I feel like a fully kitted Poe with Ahsoka for support has two choices...PtL/PA or Pred/SC. Both have their merits.

Would't something like this be better:

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Predator (3)
R5-P9 (3)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Captain Rex (14)
Jyn Erso (2)
Sabine's Masterpiece (1)

Miranda Doni (29)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
C-3PO (3)

Total: 99

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I think Miranda is superior to Red Ace and price is similar.

I would go with Pattern Analyzer, it's much better in my opinion.

Also not sure about JynErso on Rex. I think, you want to keep him cheap :/ But can work. Also Tactician might be nice, but then he becomes even a bigger target. But that's not that bad, as he protects your ships, that can be game closers.

umm.... I really like the Ahsoka list, and plan to try it out at my next game night. Though, if I did the math right, as you have it, you are actually at 98pts, so PA could go on and maintain a 1pt bid, OR got to 100 with AutoThrusters on Red.

TerTer: That Miranda build is strong! I think the biggest issue is she can only regen while in the fight and with only one agi, she will get burnt down faster. Personally I like her ability in the revers more to get 5 dice ordnance. The 2 x-wings can run and regen and then re-set the attack run, where as Miranda is easy to chase unless she slams, which negates her ability to regen.

To the Rex build: I really think he works out better with Biggs and maybe kannan or some other Jan/Jyn combo that would make biggs really hard to hurt IMHO

So I've been running:

.Karhedron if u test any of these lists, let me know. Very interested in these list. Will try when i get time. As double regen should be nice. Just dont know if poe, red or miranda and rex is better right now that miranda/dash (eco or super):/

I would very much like to make these lists work

16 hours ago, Asterus said:

The big weakness I see in the Rebel double regen lists is that you've always got around 20 points to spend on a ship that's got a massive bullseye on it as the only ship without regen. I've seen lists with airen craken, but I don't really like the idea of running all my regen aces in formation.

Ahsoka is helpful in this regard as only PS9 opponents can shoot at her. However her ability is only Range 1 which means you are stuck with formation flying there too. Also her ability triggers at the start of the Combat phase so won't work if the target is stressed which means it doesn't help if your target has pulled a red or PTLed.

I agree that the Tie probably have mileage but I am not sure which one works best with a Regen squad.

How about

PS8 Poe w/VI, R5-P9, AT's and Black One

Corran w/VI, R2-D2 and FCS

Ahsoka w/VI and Captured TIE

I used a similar list last year but with VI Airen instead of Ahsoka. Poe and Corran being PS10 means ships like Fenn cannot line up shots and Ahsoka can dish out focus, TL or movement actions. Not having PTL on either ship also opens up the dials but if an opponent has Kylo Ren you need to make sure he goes down quick but a Poe attack and Corran double tap should cripple a deci and I'd easily trade Corran for a deci with a PS10 Poe with Ahsoka to mop up whatever is left.

Maybe something like this:

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v4!s!75:170,36,-1,3:-1:-1:;196:57,-1,78,204:39:15:;224::-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed Squadron

Yesterday i try this:

T-70 X-Wing: · Poe Dameron (33)
Push The Limit (3)
· R5-P9 (3)
Autothrusters (2)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
ARC-170: · Norra Wexley (29)
Expertise (4)
· R2-D2 (4)
Vectored Thrusters (2)
· C-3PO (3)
Alliance Overhaul (0)
TIE Fighter: · Captain Rex (14)
· Captured TIE (1)
-- TOTAL ------- 100p. --

Norra with expertise work fine.

After some tries with third ship @or below 17 points I just don't do it.

I find a way to wiggle in an airen cracken with homing missles, or 'Ahsoka/Sabine &or Scavenger Crane'. At 17 Ahsoka is a costly action passer.