I did some searching and saw some discussion of the forum about the Vaksai (which is a variant of the Kihraxz Fighter http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vaksai ) but this was mostly as a title card for the Kihraxz. I can see that working but it also seems that the Vaksai is different enough from the Kihraxz its based off of that it may be better represented as its own ship rather than a title for the Kihraxz. Im not saying the Kihraxz doesn't need a tweak but IMO the Vaksai is a different ship all together. Thoughts?

I wouldn't mind seeing a few different models with the same base Khiraxz statline, with titles to tweak the rules and get them to a more competitive level than the base ship.

An EU purist would probably object to the 'wrong' titles being combined with the various models but I'd be fine with it. Variety is good.

Kihrax could use a title or two. The illicit don't exactly make it good for them, not in the same way an astromech does for the X-wing. But yeah titles that tweak the statline or other modifications that help them out would be good. However I think it is safe to say after the Scyk they are next up for the fix along with the Star Viper.

The Vaksai is pretty explicitly an improvement on the Kihraxz, which needs some help, so a title to modify that ship makes the most logical sense. I supposed they could T-70 it but there's really not as much drive to do so - it's not like adding Tech makes sense in that case and you can just as easily just give the ship some advantages for 0-2 points of cost probably. Depends how overcosted the K-fighter feels.

If they would have the Vaksai as a new model, what to do with the Khiraxz (which needs a little bit of help after all the recent powercreep)? It's not like they have plenty of design space numberwise. And Kihraxz owners are probably even more pissed off than they already are over the Fang, if a Vaksai gets outs, which further invalidates the Kihraxz.

Although the Khiraxz model is not exactly fitting the picture of a Vaksai, it would be gamewise better to have the Vaksai as title for the Kihraxz. And the painters and modders have a nice project

I wouldn't be opposed to seeing a Vaksai model, but really it's the same ship with a slightly different frame, so a title would be fine.

I hope they release it as a title and new miniature (for the same ship). This would represent the customizable nature of the ship.

I feel like it could be it's own ship.

Here are the various models of Kihrax you could have in SWG.

The one FFG chose to make their model from seems to be the Style 4. Which is the one that looks the LEAST like the Vaksai. As if they were intentionally leaving things open so they could do the Vaksai and the two ships would look as different as possible.

So the consensus seems to be a title for the sake of the kihraxz which does make sense since the vaksai was built off of the kihraxz architecture. A separate better ship would render the kihraxz totally obsolete.

What if when FFG released this pack that contains this title fix etc. instead of a repainted kihraxz they have a vaksai miniature model instead? Or at least a different configuration of the kihraxz like @DarthEnderX posted?

They could do that. But I still think it could be it's own ship.

I mean, the Vaksai is more different than the K* than the TIE Fighter is from the TIE/fo. And that still got it's own model and ship type.

2 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

They could do that. But I still think it could be it's own ship.

I mean, the Vaksai is more different than the K* than the TIE Fighter is from the TIE/fo. And that still got it's own model and ship type.

I agree, but then how would the Kihraxz be fixed? If the Vaksai was it's own ship then there would need to be a title for the Kihraxz like "Black Sun Refit" or something that 1) shows that the Kihraxz was customized a lot and 2) provided the "fix" for the Kihraxz, what that would be is up for debate.

I think the biggest issue is, "who wants another ship that sucks out of the package and won't get flown?" Starviper, Scyk, Kihraxz, G1A they all need a certain amount of "fixing" to be flyable even in a casual game. There are a few named pilots that get seen or tried and then put back in the case. I'd vote for titles because if it helps the ship get flown then I don't feel I've totally wasted my money or just purchased another crackshot card for $15. Who needs another ship that won't get much airtime, no matter how cool it looks. Starviper is in near Defender territory, Scyk has received some attention with the FAQ and new epic fix coming out, but Kihraxz is still in pretty poor shape. Both it and the Starviper never had the base cost right or the maneuvers/upgrades to justify the cost

1 hour ago, buckero0 said:

I think the biggest issue is, "who wants another ship that sucks out of the package and won't get flown?" Starviper, Scyk, Kihraxz, G1A they all need a certain amount of "fixing" to be flyable even in a casual game. There are a few named pilots that get seen or tried and then put back in the case. I'd vote for titles because if it helps the ship get flown then I don't feel I've totally wasted my money or just purchased another crackshot card for $15. Who needs another ship that won't get much airtime, no matter how cool it looks. Starviper is in near Defender territory, Scyk has received some attention with the FAQ and new epic fix coming out, but Kihraxz is still in pretty poor shape. Both it and the Starviper never had the base cost right or the maneuvers/upgrades to justify the cost

I'm with you. I as a scum player am very much hoping for a Kihraxz and Starviper aces, veterans w/e pack that addresses the issues with those ships through titles and mods. The idea of the Vaksai interests me but I guess as a whole other ship that's so closely related to the Kihraxz it would just be too much. I'm not sure the Vaksai should even be the name of the title "fix" for the Kihraxz then and instead whatever the title is it should be something that relates to its after market customization since its made clear through multiple sources that the Kihraxz was modified frequently. Maybe a light and heavy title like the Scyk has but keyed in to the weaknesses and strengths of the Kihraxz...

6 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:

I feel like it could be it's own ship.

Here are the various models of Kihrax you could have in SWG.

The one FFG chose to make their model from seems to be the Style 4. Which is the one that looks the LEAST like the Vaksai. As if they were intentionally leaving things open so they could do the Vaksai and the two ships would look as different as possible.

Keeps my hopes alive.

In SWG, the Vaksai is a heavy mass variant in a single body type. It's a quest reward like the Advanced X-Wing and Imperial Guard Interceptor.

1 hour ago, ViscerothSWG said:

In SWG, the Vaksai is a heavy mass variant in a single body type. It's a quest reward like the Advanced X-Wing and Imperial Guard Interceptor.

I see that the "Heavy" Scyk was originally the same as well. So maybe it would be most fitting as a title.

Still, we're way past due for more SWG freelance ships.

The Krayt , Kimogila , Ixiyen , Rihkxyrk and Dunelizard all deserve to be in this game.

5 hours ago, Phoenix5454 said:

I agree, but then how would the Kihraxz be fixed? If the Vaksai was it's own ship then there would need to be a title for the Kihraxz like "Black Sun Refit"

Not every "fix" has to come in the form of a title.

12 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

Not every "fix" has to come in the form of a title.

I know, but for the Kihraxz I hope it is a title fix because I like to leave modifications open for things like engine boost and vectored thrusters, especially on a ship like the Kihraxz that desperately needs mobility options.

Could release the Vaksai with a dual-hull title available: Kithraxz and Vaksai only.

Not entirely dissimilar to how they now released the "TIE Only" MkII Ion Engines, only a more restrictive class of ships.

What would the Vaksai be or do? Presumably a heavier craft. What does this mean? Who knows! Could be as simple as an extra shield, a subtly different dial (give back the straight 1?), and a title priced in correctly to let the ship be the solid, simple gunfighter it was always meant to be... and the Kithraxz piggybacks off of this to equal glory.

Don't think it would be enough? They managed it with the T70 X-wing vs the T65 in terms of role differentiation, even if they got the balance off on the supposed 'fix'... Oops.

They are way more different than the Tie---> FO ---> SF or the T-65 ----> T-70 so I say I want another ship.

7 hours ago, ViscerothSWG said:

In SWG, the Vaksai is a heavy mass variant in a single body type.

I've suggested this elsewhere before, but one idea for representing a heavier fit-out could be allowing a ship to use one of it's Evade results to cancel one Crit result before cancelling Hits during the compare results step (then revert to the normal sequence).

2 minutes ago, ABXY said:

I've suggested this elsewhere before, but one idea for representing a heavier fit-out could be allowing a ship to use one of it's Evade results to cancel one Crit result before cancelling Hits during the compare results step (then revert to the normal sequence).

In this game it really needs a different ship.

You can load up with level 8 shields, guns, and probably engine in the Vaksai, where you are juggling mass in a kihraxz and probably using mostly lvl 6 stuff. The Kihraxz is basically just for leveling up (and I used my kimo through those levels as it's got huge mass potential and 3 guns. p.s. the x-wing has 3 gun slots too. pewpewpew