Never used Poe before and his ability already says alot too. But I am wondering from those that run him, what are some good possible Elite Pilot Talents that would make his ability stronger (eg: Expertise??) or make him better (eg: PTL)??

Thanks,

Doug

Expertise is all but wasted on Poe because of his pilots ability. Sure you could provide him with R5-P9 meaning that you can save that focus token for the shield regen, but he'd get to flip one focus to a hit/evade anyway so Expertise doesn't justify its own cost. I also don't like PTL because Poe doesn't have enough green in his dial IMHO.

I currently run Poe with Predator so he can re-roll those secondary focus results rather than spending the token when he wants to, and it generally helps him punch through damage. I've also seen him run with Lone Wolf for similar effect or Wired when budgeting. I currently have an experimental Poe/Jess Pava combo with Poe running Swarm Tactics to ensure Jess is shooting first, with him, but I'm yet to actually fly that combo. I also ran him with Cool Hand for a brief moment to get him the focus for clutch Talon Rolls or K-Turns.

I've also seen others just hit him with Veteran Instincts or Adaptability to buff his PS and ensure he's moving last, shooting first.

I almost always go for PtL BB-8: reveal green maneuver →BB-8 barrel roll →push to focus→clear stress when he executes green maneuver→boost or target lock, depending on the situation. He's now performed 3 actions and has no stress token.

But I recently stumbled upon Cool Hand, and I think I'm a fan. Of course, he needs offensive modifications, so I run him with Jess w/ M9-G8 to TL Poe and grant him one reroll every attack. It's kinda like Predator, but more expensive

PTL is very good, particularly if you have BB-8 or Pattern Analyzer.

Predator is always handy as it is immune to Stress, blocking etc.

Lone Wolf can be even better but really only works well in 2-ship builds, experienced players will probably be able to get the most mileage out of it.

VI, Cool Hand or Adrenaline Rush can be handy if you are looking for something cheap although I am not convinced of the merits of a budget Poe. He is a bit more all-or-nothing.

For PS8 Poe I quite like VI to put him above other aces and then add AT's and R2-D2 or R5-P9 (according to taste)

If running BB8 with him I think that PTL is an auto include whether PS8 or PS9

For PS9 Poe I would not use VI as you are paying a premium to have the elite slot. I've been using him with PTL, R2-D2, Sensor Cluster, AT's and Black One. Pretty good fun bu need to work on flying it as in most games he was outshone by Jake. Pattern Analyser may be better than Sensor Cluster but not tested yet

If run Poe i want have focus; now PLT for me is a must. Because otherwise you havent possibility ti use the others ability.

I Lo try the Two versions this days

I cant decide if better regen Poe or bb8 Poe.

The second is more evasive, but he die fast.

Basically PTL or VI, maybe Lone Wolf if you're running him in a two ship list.

2 hours ago, J Viz said:

Pattern Analyser may be better than Sensor Cluster but not tested yet

Pattern Analyser has natural synergy with PTL and also allows you to Focus, even if you pull a Red move. Sensor Cluster + R2-D2 makes for a very tanky Poe though. My usual 3 builds are something like this:

PTL + BB-8 + Primed Thrusters = Slippery Poe

Lone Wolf + R2-D2 + Sensor Cluster = Tanky Poe

PTL + R5-P9 + Pattern Analyser = Flexible Poe

Eh, if I'm going PTL/PA, I'd be looking at R2D2 not R5P9 unless I couldn't spare the points - P9 is too vulnerable to HotCoPs to be the first choice regen bot right now.

Push the limit is for R2D2 and BB-8 builds that both benefit.

If you are lacking on points, VI or adaptability is good on the R5P9. If you have a lot of points, predator is the way to go in most scenarios though I would also say lone Wolf is a good alternative in 2 ship builds.

If you go with PTL and BB-8, try to make room for primed thrusters. You may have to PTL after your maneuver, and you'll need it to trigger BB-8 on the next move.

4 hours ago, Karhedron said:

Pattern Analyser has natural synergy with PTL and also allows you to Focus, even if you pull a Red move. Sensor Cluster + R2-D2 makes for a very tanky Poe though. My usual 3 builds are something like this:

PTL + BB-8 + Primed Thrusters = Slippery Poe

Lone Wolf + R2-D2 + Sensor Cluster = Tanky Poe

PTL + R5-P9 + Pattern Analyser = Flexible Poe

This is about all you need to know, maybe swapping Lone Wolf out for Predator on the Tanky Poe, depending on your list. I fly the Flexible Poe. People always talk about Hotshot Co-pilot being a hard counter to Poe, and it is, but I've never seen someone running it locally.

The thing is Hotshot Copilot is that it really only works on high PS ships, preferably with a turret. The only 2 ships I have seen that make it work are Rear Admiral Chiraneau and Han (original version). Both of these are expensive ships that only leave room for one wingman.

For Rebels, the Outrider and Ghost seem more popular for big ships while the Empire is currently in love with Defender spam. Yes, Hotshot Copilot is a bit of a hard counter to Poe but I don't think it is currently popular enough to be worth worrying about at the meta level.

45 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

The thing is Hotshot Copilot is that it really only works on high PS ships, preferably with a turret. The only 2 ships I have seen that make it work are Rear Admiral Chiraneau and Han (original version). Both of these are expensive ships that only leave room for one wingman.

For Rebels, the Outrider and Ghost seem more popular for big ships while the Empire is currently in love with Defender spam. Yes, Hotshot Copilot is a bit of a hard counter to Poe but I don't think it is currently popular enough to be worth worrying about at the meta level.

I agree. Every time someone brings it up in the forums as a dismissal of R5-P9, I wonder if they've ever played against it as Poe...or even seen it played against Poe.

I agree. Many cards are countered to some extent by other cards but that does not make them worthless. Ordnance can be hindered by Countermeasures and Black One but people still take it because these upgrades are sufficiently uncommon that it is still worth it.

In a tournament setting, there is always a risk of running into a bad match-up. I can't think of a list that does not have a hard time against someone.

I have played against it a few times as poe and it sucks, but autothrusters helps a lot in that match up, and the decimator/falcon dies quickly to focus fire since it usually don't have defensive upgrades.

And it is still possible to disengage poe and regenerate outside ofor turret range.

17 hours ago, gennataos said:

I agree. Every time someone brings it up in the forums as a dismissal of R5-P9, I wonder if they've ever played against it as Poe...or even seen it played against Poe.

I've played it repeatedly against P9 Poe, which is why I keep mentioning it. It completely invalidates P9 as a source of regen, since Poe can very rarely clear enough distance to not get shot at by RAC< and every time he's shooting AT RAC, he's guaranteeing not getting his regen.