Are triple T70's viable?

By MonkeyInSpace, in X-Wing Squad Lists

46 minutes ago, ayedubbleyoo said:

That’s the same list that I ran in the same tournament and went 1-4!

Phil is obviously a much better player, but I’m having a real T70 crisis at the moment. Might need to take a break and come back in a few weeks.

This was Lewis at Element. It’s snagged two wins now!

I went 3-1 last Sunday on a tournament. Got lucky twice, though. I'm reconfiguring my build and basically going all-in on Nien. Let's see how that works.

Poe Dameron (68)
Heroic (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)

Nien Nunb (55)
Heroic (1)
Static Discharge Vanes (8)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Pattern Analyzer (5)
Black One (2)

Lieutenant Bastian (48)
M9-G8 (7)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Total: 197

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I'm thinking about Predator on Nien and Poe instead of Heroic. A 3 point bid doesn't get you anywhere anyway, and Heroic is just...heroic.

1 hour ago, Stefan said:

I went 3-1 last Sunday on a tournament. Got lucky twice, though. I'm reconfiguring my build and basically going all-in on Nien. Let's see how that works.

Poe Dameron (68)
Heroic (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)

Nien Nunb (55)
Heroic (1)
Static Discharge Vanes (8)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Pattern Analyzer (5)
Black One (2)

Lieutenant Bastian (48)
M9-G8 (7)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Total: 197

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I'm thinking about Predator on Nien and Poe instead of Heroic. A 3 point bid doesn't get you anywhere anyway, and Heroic is just...heroic.

I have tried almost this very list in a few games lately with great success. My only changes was adding HLC on Poe and dropping Static Discharge Vanes and adding Elusive on Nien. Nien is a blast to play, and I love Bastian with M9-G8 too. It is so versatile and effective, especially with the ability to move Bastians lock between friend and foe. I find, however, Poe a bit challenging to use to full effect. He often has to use his action to arc dodge, with the result of getting no shot or an unmodified shot. Maybe his points could be better used elsewhere...

Actually my version doesn't really work because the Vanes let you keep the Weapon Disabled, so forget about that one.

I'm really on the fence with Elusive. I think Heroic is more cost-efficient, ultimately.

Hello fellow pilots,

Sorry if this is considered bringing up an old thread, just wanted t o get some input for an upcoming Hyperspace Trial. I'm trying to decide between 2 triple T-70 lists. Would love to hear your thoughts!

List 1:

Poe Dameron (68)
Heroic (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Heavy Laser Cannon (4)
Ship total: 77 Half Points: 39 Threshold: 4

Nien Nunb (55)
Heroic (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Pattern Analyzer (5)
Heavy Laser Cannon (4)
Ship total: 65 Half Points: 33 Threshold: 4

Lieutenant Bastian (48)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Heavy Laser Cannon (4)
Ship total: 52 Half Points: 26 Threshold: 4

Total: 194

List 2:

Poe Dameron (68)
Heroic (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Black One (2)
Ship total: 73 Half Points: 37 Threshold: 4

Nien Nunb (55)
Elusive (3)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Pattern Analyzer (5)
Ship total: 63 Half Points: 32 Threshold: 4

Ello Asty (56)
Heroic (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Ship total: 57 Half Points: 29 Threshold: 4

Total: 193

List 1 has the potential to hit harder, but list 2 has a higher initiative overall. Would love to hear some of your thoughts!

I have some experience with Nien and Bastian. I would say Nien should have the Black One title so that he can bust a move like 3 + 3 talon roll or 4 straight + 4 k and blow someone off the map. It's not as hard as you might think and it really changes the game.

I think if you are going with three T-70s you should go all in on being an ace list with Ello. Bastian is more of a jousters and a single jouster is a bad idea imho.

I run a XXXA list of Nien, Lulo, Bastian, and a i3 that is solid.

Nien should always have PA, Black One, S-Foils, and Elusive or Heroic.

the dead haft risen!

but since we're here, I've been kinda interested in the jank Wexly + composure

it's SUPER corner case, but if you position well enough to block Wexly's boost then he can give himself a focus and you can TL for full mods! This'll bring him to the level of pava and Baristan!

but it's probably far less practical than I imagine

Does someone still play Poe with BB-8? In 1.0 PTL+BB-8 was my favourite configuration. I know now there is limited number of uses but still.

is it R4 for double mods every turn, the only way to play this guy?

On 6/1/2019 at 5:06 PM, ficklegreendice said:

the dead haft risen!

but since we're here, I've been kinda interested in the jank Wexly + composure

it's SUPER corner case, but if you position well enough to block Wexly's boost then he can give himself a focus and you can TL for full mods! This'll bring him to the level of pava and Baristan!

but it's probably far less practical than I imagine

It's not bad, actually. It just works much, much better if he has lower initiative friends - if he moves first you can't block the boost with your own ships, which makes you rely on obstacles and enemy ships for blocking it.

Another caveat is he needs a low-initiative meta, as you want to be able to TL someone on the first engagment, and additionally he can work as a double reposition ace if the enemy is moving before him.

Of course, you could try him as a 3rd ship in a more ace-y XXX build, but it will be harder to use Composure effectively then.

8 hours ago, Jiron said:

Does someone still play Poe with BB-8? In 1.0 PTL+BB-8 was my favourite configuration. I know now there is limited number of uses but still.

is it R4 for double mods every turn, the only way to play this guy?

I know Nathan Eide was experimenting with BB-8 Poe for a little bit early in Resistance. It's great for big, splashy, powerful turns. Boost -> Poe Focus -> 3 Straight -> Black One SLAM Talon Roll is pretty potent. But it's also really expensive, R4 is wicked cheap, and Nien Nunb is also great with Black One. I'd guess BB-8 Poe wins less overall, but it's still good enough to fly if you really just want to fly movie Poe.

It's kinda weird, though, that we still have two VERY solid low I t-70s (baristan, Pava) but we can't use em too well because resistance has NOTHING in the way of efficient jousters

Maybe the transport (re: the 2-die resistance b-wing) will fix that up

Edited by ficklegreendice

So, I've seen hardly any use of targeting synchronizer. Harkening back to triple T-65 lists that sprang up after 2.0 dropped, the intend is to similarly joust having Poe take an I6 lock on the prime target and gaining a focus token as well. TS allows both Jess and Red to take a focus action and still joust with torpedoes plus Jess will still have a pair of wing mates for rerolls.

Poe Dameron (68)
Heroic (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Targeting Synchronizer (6)

Ship total: 75 Half Points: 38 Threshold: 4

Jessika Pava (52)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Proton Torpedoes (12)

Ship total: 64 Half Points: 32 Threshold: 4

Red Squadron Expert (48)
Heroic (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Proton Torpedoes (12)

Ship total: 61 Half Points: 31 Threshold: 4


Total: 200

On ‎6‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 6:16 PM, Pa Weasley said:

So, I've seen hardly any use of targeting synchronizer. Harkening back to triple T-65 lists that sprang up after 2.0 dropped, the intend is to similarly joust having Poe take an I6 lock on the prime target and gaining a focus token as well. TS allows both Jess and Red to take a focus action and still joust with torpedoes plus Jess will still have a pair of wing mates for rerolls.

The problem is that Poe being killed before he can fire at I6 is unlikely, but him being killed after your opponent's Initiative 6, 5 and 4 ships have all fired is unpleasantly high; at which point those torpedoes lose their locks and a lot of points go to waste.

If you're going to spring for torpedoes, it feels like you might be better off putting at least one set on Poe.

  • Poe Dameron (68)
    • Swarm Tactics (3)
    • Proton Torpedoes (12)
    • Targeting Synchroniser (5)
    • Integrated S-Foils (0)
  • Jessika Pava (52)
    • Proton Torpedoes (12)
    • Integrated S-Foils (0)
  • Lieutenant Bastian
    • Integrated S-Foils (0)
    • Jamming Beam (0)

Now, when Poe locks someone at I6, in the combat phase you can begin by making Jessika Pava I6 too. She can lob a torpedo first, using a focus token and her pilot ability charge to get a double-modified torpedo, before Poe fires his own, spending his lock and focus token as required.

If the target has eaten two double-modified proton torpedoes and isn't dead yet*, it should at least have taken a point of damage under its shields, which means Bastian should have had a chance to acquire a free lock, too.

Alternatively, depending on the target, Poe can loft Bastian up to I6 to jam a target (e.g. to remove a reinforce token) before he and Jess torpedo it - he won't be able to spend his lock if he does, and it has to be a niche case, but don't overlook the option.

* A.K.A. Times You Know You're Doing It Wrong...

Don't think you'd ever use t-synch on anything that wasn't a transport or bomber (or pod?)

Poe's gotta use that lock too!

Also, from what has been leaked, doesn't seem like the transport will be our jouster :(

it does, however, seem like an utterly hilarious enabler/support ship for t70s

It's not triple T-70, but I can provide answers on both these points .

On 6/1/2019 at 10:06 AM, ficklegreendice said:

the dead haft risen!

but since we're here, I've been kinda interested in the jank Wexly + composure

it's SUPER corner case, but if you position well enough to block Wexly's boost then he can give himself a focus and you can TL for full mods! This'll bring him to the level of pava and Baristan!

but it's probably far less practical than I imagine

It's not nearly as corner case as you'd think to pull of the double mods. You can often position yourself to bank-boost fail and leave your dial open for plenty of stuff the following turn. I'm also not sure why Bastian/Jess/Composure Snap isn't more prevalent. It probably can't hang in a joust with swarms and rebel beef, but...it's doesn't really HAVE to. It can change things up for those match ups and spread out.

On 6/3/2019 at 1:06 AM, Jiron said:

Does someone still play Poe with BB-8? In 1.0 PTL+BB-8 was my favourite configuration. I know now there is limited number of uses but still.

is it R4 for double mods every turn, the only way to play this guy?

BB-8 Poe is expensive as ****, but if played right (which I don't always do), is a trap to pursue. So he's either being chased, leaving the rest of your list unfettered, or he's ignored, leaving him free to do Poe things. I seldom find myself needing more than the two charges, and there's Spare Parts to back that up, if need be.

Edited by gennataos
12 minutes ago, gennataos said:

It's not nearly as corner case as you'd think to pull of the double mods. You can often position yourself to bank-boost fail and leave your dial open for plenty of stuff the following turn. I'm also not sure why Bastian/Jess/Composure Snap isn't more prevalent. It probably can't hang in a joust with swarms and rebel beef, but...it's doesn't really HAVE to. It can change things up for those match ups and spread out.

maybe it's the I mismatch
I'm OCD as ****, so that bothers the crud outta me :p

But those 3 T-70s (and composure on Wex) comes out to 155 with 45 points remaining

So, Lu'lo is an easy drop but again sets off my OCD

hopefully, the I 2 transport (aka "Coordination Station") with good crew fits within those 45 points. I'd happily fly with at least two same Is

Edited by ficklegreendice

Bastion+R3

Jess+BB

Snap+Composure

Lulo+Heroic

=200

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This Triple T list acts more like a mutant Quad T, and probably won't fit post June adjustments, but it's one of my favorites right now.

3 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

maybe it's the I mismatch
I'm OCD as ****, so that bothers the crud outta me 😛

But those 3 T-70s (and composure on Wex) comes out to 155 with 45 points remaining

So, Lu'lo is an easy drop but again sets off my OCD

hopefully, the I 2 transport with good crew fits within those 45 points. I'd happily fly with at least two same Is

It can still be a triple T-70 list, which...****, I know L'ulo is too good for the cost and no bid sucks, but this is pretty **** cool.

Poe Dameron (68)
Predator (2)
BB-8 (8)
Spare Parts Canisters (4)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Primed Thrusters (10)
Black One (2)

Temmin Wexley (54)
Composure (1)
R2 Astromech (4)
Integrated S-Foils (0)

Blue Squadron Rookie (46)
BB Astromech (1)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Total: 200

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2 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

  • Poe Dameron (68)
    • Swarm Tactics (3)
    • Proton Torpedoes (12)
    • Targeting Synchroniser (5)
    • Integrated S-Foils (0)
  • Jessika Pava (52)
    • Proton Torpedoes (12)
    • Integrated S-Foils (0)
  • Lieutenant Bastian
    • Integrated S-Foils (0)
    • Jamming Beam

EDIT: Targeting synchronizer is 6 points putting this list at 201, sadly. Could be worth reconsidering when plasma torpedoes are out.

Edited by Pa Weasley

Are proton torpedoes still a good deal? I consider flying Poe with two proton carrying experts.

They are but probably not en masse. Attaching a torpedo to someone who can get focus-and-rerolls (like Poe) is a better deal than a relatively low initiative generic, who may struggle to get a target lock and still have a valid shot, and who needs to suffer incoming fire without a defensive focus token before launching them.

Passive Sensors may make the difference for Naboo N-1s, but not for resistance ships,

On 6/13/2019 at 4:36 AM, Jiron said:

Are proton torpedoes still a good deal? I consider flying Poe with two proton carrying experts.

I tweaked the list I posted earlier and ran this for some casual games last night. Yes, you loose the lock reroll but not a lot of lists are built to expect two I6 torpedoes these days never mind Poe's attack dice to finish off the straggler. I lost both rounds but they were squeakers and a better player may have been able to seal the deal. And no, the jamming beam was never fired.

Poe Dameron (68)
Swarm Tactics (3)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Targeting Synchronizer (6)
Jamming Beam (0)

Red Squadron Expert (48)
Swarm Tactics (3)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Proton Torpedoes (12)

Red Squadron Expert (48)
Integrated S-Foils (0)
Proton Torpedoes (12)
Total: 200

Had to bump it, guys... sorry.

I personally don't know if there's a Poe list that I can like enough with only 3 T70s, and part of that theory is that the two I5s are non-negotiable for the list to really have legs.

What's all-y'alls season six thoughts on the archetype?

Here's an extended list I threw together, since PA and Ello are out of Hyperspace at the moment...

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They're Back...

(55) Ello Asty [T-70 X-wing]
(5) BB Astromech
(3) Autoblasters
(6) Afterburners
(1) Marksmanship
Points: 70

(55) Nien Nunb [T-70 X-wing]
(7) BB-8
(3) Autoblasters
(6) Afterburners
(1) Marksmanship
(5) Pattern Analyzer
(2) Black One
Points: 79

(47) Lieutenant Bastian [T-70 X-wing]
Points: 47

Total points: 196