26 minutes ago, SpikeSpiegel said:

But the stress from PtL needs to clear.

Missed PTL. I think on Snap especially, Intensity is better. Swap vectored thrusters for autothrusters, and R2 for FAA. Then downgrade Advanced Optics for Primed Thrusters.

Hey T-210 enthusiasts, what's up?

As some of you know, Season 6 of the X-wing Vassal League is starting soon , and I'm itching to continue to fly 3x T-70s there like I did during the past season. I wrote a detailed post earlier on this very thread with my impressions from Season 5 (here's a link )

During last season I was using variations of this list (please notice this was in spring of 2017, so before FAA and Adv Optics were released):

• Poe / Adaptability, R5-P9, Pattern Analyzer, IA (36)
• Snap / VI, R2-D2, Pattern Analyzer, IA, Black One (36)
• Jess / M9-G8, IA (28)

So with the very different meta out there, and a few new toys we have for our T-70s, what do you think I should change in my squad to give the T-210 the best fighting chance?

Let's discuss!

1 minute ago, vladamex said:

Hey T-210 enthusiasts, what's up?

As some of you know, Season 6 of the X-wing Vassal League is starting soon , and I'm itching to continue to fly 3x T-70s there like I did during the past season. I wrote a detailed post earlier on this very thread with my impressions from Season 5 (here's a link )

During last season I was using variations of this list (please notice this was in spring of 2017, so before FAA and Adv Optics were released):

• Poe / Adaptability, R5-P9, Pattern Analyzer, IA (36)
• Snap / VI, R2-D2, Pattern Analyzer, IA, Black One (36)
• Jess / M9-G8, IA (28)

So with the very different meta out there, and a few new toys we have for our T-70s, what do you think I should change in my squad to give the T-210 the best fighting chance?

Let's discuss!

I think I’ll sponsor a condition: Win a match with T-210. It’s only $30.

18 hours ago, vladamex said:

Hey T-210 enthusiasts, what's up?

As some of you know, Season 6 of the X-wing Vassal League is starting soon , and I'm itching to continue to fly 3x T-70s there like I did during the past season. I wrote a detailed post earlier on this very thread with my impressions from Season 5 (here's a link )

During last season I was using variations of this list (please notice this was in spring of 2017, so before FAA and Adv Optics were released):

• Poe / Adaptability, R5-P9, Pattern Analyzer, IA (36)
• Snap / VI, R2-D2, Pattern Analyzer, IA, Black One (36)
• Jess / M9-G8, IA (28)

So with the very different meta out there, and a few new toys we have for our T-70s, what do you think I should change in my squad to give the T-210 the best fighting chance?

Let's discuss!

Let me start the discussion with some of my own thoughts. I think there are four main open questions for this list:

1) Pilots -> Jess had a tough period when there were tons of harpoons all around (since she thrives in formation flying). However there doesn't seem to be as many Harpoons around nowadays as we used to see in the second half of the last year. So is Jess again a good choice for the T-210 list ?

2) Adv. Optics fits so good with T-70s, and especially Poe. Still, there are a lot of HotCops flying around, especially in the dreaded Ghost Fenn list. So is Adv Optics a better choice than Pattern Analyzer (which was IMO the best choice for the T-70 aces before the AdvOptics was released)?

3) My previous squad didn't have any Autothrusters in there (no points left), but nowadays AT looks like a must-have upgrade with all the turrets flying around. How critical it is to find the points for AT in a T-210 list ?

4) Flight Assist Astromech looks very interesting (haven't tried it yet), especially on a flanker ship. Is FAA good enough to warrant a serious consideration in a T-210 squad ? If yes, how would you incorporate it?

Suggestions and comments are most welcome, especially if based on a recent tournament experience

1) Jess is always good. She’s only 1 point more than a BSN for +1ps and an excellent pilot ability -albeit dependent on formation flying

2) AO over PA generally, but if you are running Intensity, PT all dang day.

3) I think finding the points for AT is tough, but it’s worth it if you can

4)FAA is awesome especially if your name is Snap or Blue Ace.

1. Jess seems to be seeing the most action after Poe right now. I think your observations about the meta switching somewhat away from Harpoons (and bombs to an extent) is helping that. My favorite pilot is Blue Ace (with FAA as mentioned).

2. I like Advanced Optics on Poe, but I'm not sure you always have the points for it. It's part of the standard PS 11 Poe build that usually flies with the YT-2400 ( see two of them in the top 8 here ).

3. Autothrusters are standard on Starvipers these days, but you probably won't find the points for them on all three T-70s. That said...

4. FAA is a huge boon to X-wings, so I think you should consider it on one or two in a triple build. It saves you points for things like Autothrusters.

FFG should start offering exclusive prizes at Regionals for daring pilots that run certain lists and make the cut. The triple T-70 award, triple Starviper award, 5x Striker award, etc. Can you image if the community started bounties like this? Change the meta!

So I was thinking, how do you fit the super Poe build that's popular right now with a list that takes full advantage of FAA and Autothrusters (maybe the two best upgrades for the T-70 right now).

For 100 points, you can fit:

Poe Dameron (PS9) - Black One, R2-D2, Advanced Optics, VI, Autothrusters

Blue Ace - FAA, Autothrusters

Blue Squadron Novice - FAA, Autothrusters

Are those two blues better than the Outrider kiting murder machine? Nah. But more fun! (I do love Dash still.)

I did well in a small tourney with triple t70 + U-wing.

36 minutes ago, Hobbyist said:

I did well in a small tourney with triple t70 + U-wing.

That’s not 3 t-70s.

The number shall be 3 T-70s or if you prefer T-210. Nothing more, nothing less.

Intensity B8 Poe is a lot of fun to fly and really annoying to those Quickdraw/Gunboat lists you’re unfortunate enough to meet. The Evade token makes you tougher in someways than R2D2 poe as well. I t’s also cheaper. To get the best use out of PS10/11 Poe you need a bid which is hard to come by in T210.

I don’t think, currently, three T-70s is a viable top tier contender, Ghost Fenn eats it for breakfast (indeed, ANY Ghost does) and I’m not that confident about Miranda either. That said:

Poe/Jess+1 can hit hard and FAA make them bloody hard to pin down. Blue Ace or Snap should leave you plenty of points to build a good Poe, who can do the job for you assuming he doesn’t get immediately nuked off the board.

24 minutes ago, Estarriol said:

I don’t think, currently, three T-70s is a viable top tier contender, Ghost Fenn eats it for breakfast (indeed, ANY Ghost does) and I’m not that confident about Miranda either. That said:

Poe/Jess+1 can hit hard and FAA make them bloody hard to pin down. Blue Ace or Snap should leave you plenty of points to build a good Poe, who can do the job for you assuming he doesn’t get immediately nuked off the board.

Agree that 3 T-70s is rough in the current meta. With TLTs all over again (Ghost, Miranda, etc.), Autothrusters become more important, but even they aren't quite enough. I think the T-70's biggest disadvantage is the 2 green dice. When I've tried triple T-70s, this is almost always their liability. That's why the Starvipers do a bit better with Autothrusters, because they're starting out with an extra green dice and their title fix allows them funky positioning and better costing.

I think the T-70 ultimately needs a title to put it back at the top, but with Poe showing up so much running solo and the T-65 fix we know is next in line, it may be a long, long wait!

4 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

That’s not 3 t-70s.

The number shall be 3 T-70s or if you prefer T-210. Nothing more, nothing less.

Ok, I get it, but it does have triple T-70's, PLUS MORE. it's like a bonus.

2 minutes ago, Hobbyist said:

Ok, I get it, but it does have triple T-70's, PLUS MORE. it's like a bonus.

No. This is Heresy.

Out of curiousity, since FAA came out, has anyone tried running FOUR T-70s?

4x Blue Squadron Novice - FAA, IA

I apologize in advance for straying off topic!!!

56 minutes ago, dadocollin said:

Out of curiousity, since FAA came out, has anyone tried running FOUR T-70s?

4x Blue Squadron Novice - FAA, IA

I apologize in advance for straying off topic!!!

Get your umbrella ready, the tears will be coming soon.

56 minutes ago, dadocollin said:

Out of curiousity, since FAA came out, has anyone tried running FOUR T-70s?

4x Blue Squadron Novice - FAA, IA

I apologize in advance for straying off topic!!!

Would anybody buy 4 sheathipedes? $60 for 4 FAAs is beyond my ability (or willingness) to pay.

12 minutes ago, Pooleman said:

Would anybody buy 4 sheathipedes? $60 for 4 FAAs is beyond my ability (or willingness) to pay.

I meant more online or with proxy. I did think for some reason there was two in that pack, but you’re right. Hopefully that card emerges elsewhere. Don’t worry, if it was good, they’d be eating them up!

Edit: Just looked, there’s one in the fan of cards for the new X-wing/U-wing. That will be good for the TRIPLE T-70 builds. See, right back on topic. Whew.

1 hour ago, dadocollin said:

I meant more online or with proxy. I did think for some reason there was two in that pack, but you’re right. Hopefully that card emerges elsewhere. Don’t worry, if it was good, they’d be eating them up!

Edit: Just looked, there’s one in the fan of cards for the new X-wing/U-wing. That will be good for the TRIPLE T-70 builds. See, right back on topic. Whew.

Yeah, folks have run it on Vassal. @Biophysical is a fan, although he'd probably say it's not quite top tier.

There's a copy of it coming in Saw's Renegades, so we have that going for us!

Found THIS match and wanted to bookmark it for future reference when I have time to watch it. Double Regen is not an Avenue I’ve explored.

Let me share a couple of more 3x T-70s batreps that I've ran into:

• Poe Nien Jess vs Corran Miranda (Denver Regionals, semi finals, Feb 2017) - link
• Nien Snap Jess vs Imp Aces (PTL Open, round 1, Apr 2017) - link
• 3x Intensity RSVs vs Imp Aces (Prototype Toronto League, quarter finals, Jan 2018) - link

Overall not a ton of material out there to learn from, but let's share whatever we can find

The 3rsv list was good, and incredibly well flown. I don’t think the imperial list was very competitive though.

Gave Jess and Snap a run out at the weekend, but with Norra as the third ship! It was fun, but I apologise.

3 hours ago, ayedubbleyoo said:

Gave Jess and Snap a run out at the weekend, but with Norra as the third ship! It was fun, but I apologise.

How did it do? Would swapping Poe or Nien in for Norra work?

43 minutes ago, Estarriol said:

How did it do? Would swapping Poe or Nien in for Norra work?

I narrowly beat Poe/Nym/Ezra on points, destroying Poe and not losing anything. We called time on the game eventually! It's probably not meta-competitive but it was decent to fly. You would probably be destroyed fairly easily by harpoons.

And two members of the Wexley family, can't really beat that

The only big advantage of the Arc is number of hit points (and R2D2 regen). Also put Expertise on Norra which makes her 37 points, and Autothrusters on both the T70s.

It's a shame how expensive the 'optimum' Poe builds are, I think Poe has got better but he's got maybe too expensive to run with two other named T70s. Especially if you want Autothrusters, which I really like because it reduces the amount of games you lose before you start! If you can control range and sometimes arc then you stand a chance against the turret pain.

I had:

Snap w. Intensity, BB8, Primed Thrusters, Autothrusters
Jess w. Flight Assist Astromech, Autothrusters
Norra w. Expertise, R2D2, Courier Droid, Alliance Overhaul

Sorry for going off triple T70 topic!

On 3/1/2018 at 7:29 PM, Pooleman said:

Would anybody buy 4 sheathipedes? $60 for 4 FAAs is beyond my ability (or willingness) to pay.

I bought 3, in Canada... so $60 for 3. I have no regrets.