Hey guys I have a tournament coming up on Monday and was hoping I could get some thoughts on the list I am thinking of taking:

99/100 points

Jess Pava + R4-D6 + Integrated Astromech (26) // Or for 1 extra point, Jess Pava + R2-D6 + Cool Hand + Integrated astromech (27) Would run the list to 100/100 points.

Personally, I'd swap Primed thrusters and Pattern Analyzer. Poe, especially BB8 PTL Poe wants PA. He needs to be taking focus actions, always.

With BB8, PTL, and PA, you have the option of dialing in a green and barrel rolling PTL focus, execute green shed stress take action, or dialing in a green and not barrel rolling, execute green PA delay check pilot stress step, ation, PTL for second action, and then check pilot stress step- green maneuver and shed stress. OR dialing in a red, PA take a focus then take stress.

4 minutes ago, Cryptiks said:

99/100 points

Jess Pava + R4-D6 + Integrated Astromech (26) // Or for 1 extra point, Jess Pava + R2-D6 + Cool Hand + Integrated astromech (27) Would run the list to 100/100 points.

Nien Nunb + R3-A2 + Pattern Analyzer + Snap Shot + Integrated Astromech (35)

Poe Dameron (PS8 Version) + Black One + BB-8 + Primed Thrusters + Push the Limit + Integrated Astromech (38)

I like this squad. M9-G8 can be awesome, but I don't think it hurts that bad to leave it off here. It looks like you are expecting a stress meta, making Cool Hand nice on Jess, but if go R2-D6 Trick Shot on her. People love to park behind obstacles, and Jess's rerolls help her make the most of the extra die she gets, while keeping the squad at 99 points.

I disagree with BlodVargarna on Pattern Analyzer for Poe. Primed Thrusters provides so much defense for your whole squad by ditching target locks even while stressed. If you are expecting stress tech, Pattern Analyzer will be useless.

7 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

Personally, I'd swap Primed thrusters and Pattern Analyzer. Poe, especially BB8 PTL Poe wants PA. He needs to be taking focus actions, always.

With BB8, PTL, and PA, you have the option of dialing in a green and barrel rolling PTL focus, execute green shed stress take action, or dialing in a green and not barrel rolling, execute green PA delay check pilot stress step, ation, PTL for second action, and then check pilot stress step- green maneuver and shed stress. OR dialing in a red, PA take a focus then take stress.

Wow, so this works just like with PTL Snap?

So I could do a 4k, get a focus token and a stress. The next turn, do a green (but no BB8 because Im stressed), get a focus, then Pattern analyzer, PTL for a boost/TL, and then check for stress and shed it? at the same time primed thrusters can be huge after getting behind a ship, or against weaponized stress.. hard decision to be made here!

1 minute ago, Cryptiks said:

Wow, so this works just like with PTL Snap?

So I could do a 4k, get a focus token and a stress. The next turn, do a green (but no BB8 because Im stressed), get a focus, then Pattern analyzer, PTL for a boost/TL, and then check for stress and shed it?

If you start with a stress you can't skip the Check Pilot stress step and perform an action because you'd still be stressed.

But you could still execute green shed stress and then focus and PTL for another action but you'd have a stress.

Usually with Poe, if I have PTL and PA, I might only do one action if I start turn with a stress so I can end turn without stress. (Like after I've k turned or needed to PTL after a white maneuver).

5 minutes ago, Cryptiks said:

Wow, so this works just like with PTL Snap?

So I could do a 4k, get a focus token and a stress. The next turn, do a green (but no BB8 because Im stressed), get a focus, then Pattern analyzer, PTL for a boost/TL, and then check for stress and shed it?

Not quite. If you are already stressed, Pattern Analyzer is turned off. But it has the advantage of clearing stress after push the limit if you did a green maneuver. Normally you have to barrel roll then PtL BEFORE executing a green maneuver, but Pattern Analyzer lets you clear the PtL stress after executing the green maneuver.

Ninja'd

5 minutes ago, Parakitor said:

I like this squad. M9-G8 can be awesome, but I don't think it hurts that bad to leave it off here. It looks like you are expecting a stress meta, making Cool Hand nice on Jess, but if go R2-D6 Trick Shot on her. People love to park behind obstacles, and Jess's rerolls help her make the most of the extra die she gets, while keeping the squad at 99 points.

I disagree with BlodVargarna on Pattern Analyzer for Poe. Primed Thrusters provides so much defense for your whole squad by ditching target locks even while stressed. If you are expecting stress tech, Pattern Analyzer will be useless.

I like the idea of going for Trick Shot for Jess, and probably r4-d6 won't do much as I reckon Poe and Nien will be the targets of the ordinance.

Just now, Cryptiks said:

r4-d6 won't do muc

I've never, ever seen this droid work. Maybe now against Pure Sabacc or Fenn it might have a place, but I'm not down with R4-D6.

Remember! If you take R2-D6 and you use integrated Astromech you still keep your EPT.

I'd be tempted to use IA on R2-D6 on your first hull point.

11 minutes ago, Parakitor said:

I disagree with BlodVargarna on Pattern Analyzer for Poe. Primed Thrusters provides so much defense for your whole squad by ditching target locks even while stressed. If you are expecting stress tech, Pattern Analyzer will be useless

I agree to disagree ? Poe without focus is a disaster waiting to happen.

In a stress meta maybe Wingman has a place on Jess with R2-D6?

6 minutes ago, Parakitor said:

Not quite. If you are already stressed, Pattern Analyzer is turned off. But it has the advantage of clearing stress after push the limit if you did a green maneuver. Normally you have to barrel roll then PtL BEFORE executing a green maneuver, but Pattern Analyzer lets you clear the PtL stress after executing the green maneuver.

Ninja'd

6 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

If you start with a stress you can't skip the Check Pilot stress step and perform an action because you'd still be stressed.

But you could still execute green shed stress and then focus and PTL for another action but you'd have a stress.

Usually with Poe, if I have PTL and PA, I might only do one action if I start turn with a stress so I can end turn without stress. (Like after I've k turned or needed to PTL after a white maneuver).

Ok thank you both for clarifying that, here I was thinking that you could use Pattern Analyzer after getting a stress.. Crazy how much of X-wing comes down to the nitty gritty wording and Timing Chart of actions and combat!

2 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

I've never, ever seen this droid work. Maybe now against Pure Sabacc or Fenn it might have a place, but I'm not down with R4-D6.

Remember! If you take R2-D6 and you use integrated Astromech you still keep your EPT.

I'd be tempted to use IA on R2-D6 on your first hull point.

I really like this idea, essentially gained 1 extra Hull for 1 point and an EPT!

21 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

I agree to disagree ? Poe without focus is a disaster waiting to happen.

In a stress meta maybe Wingman has a place on Jess with R2-D6?

My only concern is that without primed thrusters Poe will suffer in terms of repositioning and clearing Target Locks , however I do also see the issue regarding lacking focus tokens after Reds.. I guess I can only test one for the time being and make a calculated decision regarding the meta.

Just now, Cryptiks said:

My only concern is that without primed thrusters Poe will suffer in order to reposition, however I do also see the issue regarding lacking focus tokens after Reds.. I guess I can only test one for the time being and make a calculated decision regarding the meta.

There is no right answer here. It depends on how you like to fly and what you're comfortable with.

3 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

There is no right answer here. It depends on how you like to fly and what you're comfortable with.

I do like the idea of being even able to do a Talon or 4k and then focus + PTL for TL if I need to go super aggressive, I will try PA first and see the result!

Edit: Double Post

Have we discussed the value of R2astro + PTL + PA?

you can make any 1-2 speed maneuver 2 actions with PTL take your stress. Chech your stress with PA and shed the stress.

18 hours ago, Blue-4 said:

Have we discussed the value of R2astro + PTL + PA?

you can make any 1-2 speed maneuver 2 actions with PTL take your stress. Chech your stress with PA and shed the stress.

NO WAY! I was driving home from a tournament and this very idea hit me. I have used it with the Upsilon, but never with T-70s.

After the tournament a friend and I had a TFA showdown: Triple T-70 vs. First Order TIEs. I brought Poe, Snap, and Jess; my friend brought Omega Leader, Quickdraw, and Backdraft. It was a landslide victory in his favor. We did manage to take out Omega Leader and 2 shields off of each TIE/sf, but that was about it. Snap (Targeting Astromech, Trick Shot, Pattern Analyzer, Integrated Astromech) was, as usual, completely underwhelming. As I drove home the Pattern Analyzer + Push the Limit idea hit me, and I couldn't wait to see what I could do. Here's my best shot:

Poe Dameron PS 9 (33)
-BB-8 (2)
-Push the Limit (3)
-Integrated Astromech (0)
-Primed Thrusters (1)
-Black One (1)

"Snap" Wexley (28)
-R2 Astromech (1)
-Push the Limit (3)
-Integrated Astromech (0)
-Pattern Analyzer (2)

Jess Pava (25)
-R2-D6 (1)
-Trick Shot (0)
-Integrated Astromech (0)

It's not pretty, but if Jess takes a focus, and sits by the others, that's focus + two rerolls, potentially rolling 4 dice. I think this has the agro necessary, but no control, and relatively poor pilot skill. I wonder if I should just scrap Poe and take stress Nien instead.

Last night I played a Vassal game with my Nien Snap Jess list, and I played against the most amazing list (I lost after many rounds of dancing around the debris).

Intensity Poe, Intensity/PTL Jake, PTL Sabine with Kyle and MKII. The action efficiency was unreal, Jake in particular.

Intensity Poe w/BB8 is going to be a thing. It's totally awesome and I'm going to probably only play versions of the 3t-70s with him in it.

PS 9 Poe, B1, Intensity, BB-8, Primed Thrusters, Autothrusters: 41 points.

Dial a green, BB8 -Intensity Evade, green maneuver, focus action. Or dial a red, Primed thrusters boost, intensity focus.

Jake was totally insane:

Dial green, execute maneuver, focus action, boost -Jake's ability- focus intensity, barrel roll -Jake's ability, PTL evade.

On May 27, 2017 at 6:15 AM, Blue-4 said:

Have we discussed the value of R2astro + PTL + PA?

you can make any 1-2 speed maneuver 2 actions with PTL take your stress. Chech your stress with PA and shed the stress.

This really got me thinking. I decided to compare PtL/R2 Astro Poe with Intensity/BB-8 Poe, mostly for my own understanding:

Poe Dameron (PS 9) (33) -- Push the Limit (3), R2 Astromech (1), Pattern Analyzer (2), Autothrusters (2) (41)

Green maneuver (add two-banks and -turns): Move, focus, (target lock or boost), clear stress (no stress) [two actions]

White maneuver : Move, focus (no stress) OR move, focus, (target lock or boost) (stressed) [two actions]

Red maneuver : Move, focus (stressed) [one action]

If stressed:

Green maneuver (add two-banks and -turns): Move, clear stress, focus (no stress) OR move, clear stress, focus, (target lock or boost) (stressed) [two actions]

White maneuver : Move (stressed) [no actions]

Poe Dameron (PS 9) (33) -- Intensity (2), BB-8 (2), Primed Thrusters (1), Autothrusters (2), Black One (1) (41)

Green maneuver : Barrel roll, assign focus or evade, move, (focus, target lock, or boost) (no stress) OR move, (focus, target lock, or [boost, assign focus or evade]) (no stress) [up to three actions]

White maneuver : Move, (focus, target lock, or [boost, assign focus or evade]) (no stress) [two actions]

Red maneuver : Move (stressed) OR move, boost, assign focus or evade (stressed) [two actions]

If stressed:

Green maneuver : Barrel roll, assign focus or evade, move, clear stress, (focus, target lock, or boost) (no stress) OR move, clear stress, (focus, target lock, or [boost, assign focus or evade]) (no stress) [up to three actions]

White maneuver : Move (stressed) OR move, boost, assign focus or evade (stressed) [two actions]

Also clears a target lock on a boost or barrel roll

Hopefully I got that right (and it's comprehensible). Intensity Poe can chain three-action turns to PtL Poe's two-, but PtL Poe can hard-turn. Intensity Poe can reposition on a red, but if he can't he can't focus. Intensity Poe can do whites while stressed, though PtL Poe can do many of the same moves as greens.

I think it breaks down to:

PtL Poe : hard turns, always focus on red

Intensity Poe : third action, boost and focus on red if can boost, can stack focus and evade, better against stress control, clears target locks

But that might be a lot closer than it sounds, especially as adding the title to PtL Poe puts him over by only one point.

I'm very much looking forward to Intensity Poe.

Intensity Poe can very much get a focus after a red: Excute red, boost b/c primed thrusters, get a focus from intensity.

-Reread your post. Yes if he's unable to boost, then no focus.

I know we have already discussed Weapons Guidance, but here's something I am eager to try (after my latest crushing defeat upthread).

T-70 X-Wing: · Ello Asty (30)
Expertise (4)
· BB-8 (2)
Integrated Astromech (0)
· Black One (1)
Weapons Guidance (2)
T-70 X-Wing: · Nien Nunb (29)
Snap Shot (2)
· R3-A2 (2)
Integrated Astromech (0)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
T-70 X-Wing: · Jess Pava (25)
· R2-D6 (1)
Trick Shot (0)
-- TOTAL ------- 100/100p. --

It's not fancy. The idea is to just hit people in the face, with a dash of stress control. My friend has been using Expertise+Weapons Guidance Backdraft, and it's brutally efficient, so I decided I should try it with Ello. Jess I'm not thrilled with. Trick Shot is there to boost dice with rerolls from friendlies. I don't think it will go off very much, but hey, it's freeish. I don't have A Score to Settle, but that could be a possible replacement.

Oh, and BB-8 can help strip locks via Black One, which is far too valuable for me to leave at home - especially with FCS Special Forces TIEs flying around.

15 hours ago, Parakitor said:

I know we have already discussed Weapons Guidance, but here's something I am eager to try (after my latest crushing defeat upthread).

T-70 X-Wing: · Ello Asty (30)
Expertise (4)
· BB-8 (2)
Integrated Astromech (0)
· Black One (1)
Weapons Guidance (2)
T-70 X-Wing: · Nien Nunb (29)
Snap Shot (2)
· R3-A2 (2)
Integrated Astromech (0)
Pattern Analyzer (2)
T-70 X-Wing: · Jess Pava (25)
· R2-D6 (1)
Trick Shot (0)
-- TOTAL ------- 100/100p. --

It's not fancy. The idea is to just hit people in the face, with a dash of stress control. My friend has been using Expertise+Weapons Guidance Backdraft, and it's brutally efficient, so I decided I should try it with Ello. Jess I'm not thrilled with. Trick Shot is there to boost dice with rerolls from friendlies. I don't think it will go off very much, but hey, it's freeish. I don't have A Score to Settle, but that could be a possible replacement.

Oh, and BB-8 can help strip locks via Black One, which is far too valuable for me to leave at home - especially with FCS Special Forces TIEs flying around.

I'd be real interested in how this Ello build works out for you - it looks like it could have a lot of potential. I've wanted an effective build for Ello for a long time.

Ello with Expertise was my first really effective ship, I sort of moved on from him when I acquired more pilots. Might go back and give him another go, the white talon roll is fantastic.

Still testing 3-70 lists in preparation of the next store champs in my area. I have given a name to my pain, and that name is Dash Rendar. PTL Kanan Dash is just horrendous to fly against.

What lists do you struggle against?

1 minute ago, Vandenberg said:

Still testing 3-70 lists in preparation of the next store champs in my area. I have given a name to my pain, and that name is Dash Rendar. PTL Kanan Dash is just horrendous to fly against.

What lists do you struggle against?

Me too, Dash is a tough nut for me to crack. Most things I like to fly are weak against him.

Had a great Snap experience tonight, pulled off some really cool moves with BB8 and Primed Thrusters. Needs Vet Instincts to be really effective.

Think I'm set on him, Nien and probably Jess.