Is there something about Nien that makes him better, or just the upgrades?

Only asking because I love Ello Asty and I want to keep using him!

Edit: just realised it's because he discards stress and offsets the droid stress.

Nien can also T-Roll or K-Turn and if he winds up range 1 and enemy in arc, he tosses that stress too.

1 hour ago, ayedubbleyoo said:

Is there something about Nien that makes him better, or just the upgrades?

Only asking because I love Ello Asty and I want to keep using him!

Edit: just realised it's because he discards stress and offsets the droid stress.

Snapshot+stressbot makes him insanely powerful vs anything with a higher PS than Nien has.*

I only add IA. Because it is free.

* = Ergo; aces. Of all kinds except those immune to stress like Tycho.

21 hours ago, ayedubbleyoo said:

Is there something about Nien that makes him better, or just the upgrades?

Only asking because I love Ello Asty and I want to keep using him !

In my view, the problem with Ello is that Pattern Analyzer allows any arbitrary T-70 pilot to do most of what he does. The only extra thing Ello can do is 2+ T-rolls in a row, which isn't an especially common requirement (at least in my experience. I used to fly Ello frequently). And since Ello doesn't really have a natural choice for his Tech slot, making it available adds almost nothing.

Then, I look at his price. 30 points. Every other T-70 pilot besides Red Ace costs 28 or less...so with Pattern Analyzer, you get most of Ello's ability PLUS another pilot ability, for the same or lower cost.

TIE defenders are quite often seen doing back to back kturns, and being able to hang onto them with white talin rolls are nice.

The advantages of ello:

1 - back to back tallon rolls, or at least talon roll into white manouvre (not an unlikely thing to want to do, especially if you want something other than an R2 astromech)

2 - ends the manouvre unstressed, meaning expertise (rather than just predator) is an option

3 - tech slot is still free, and sensor cluster is a very good card for making an agility 2 ship tougher

Interesting advice all, I am seeing why Ello could be overpriced but I'm sticking with him for now because he's named after the Beastie Boys and loves to pull crazy moves.

Is there a good droid for him? I have with Expertise anyway so maybe no points left, but any ideas?

You don't necessarily need a droid unless you need IA.

56 minutes ago, ayedubbleyoo said:

Is there a good droid for him?

R2 (generic), R5-X3, R5-P9, BB-8, and R7-T1 all seem to fit well with Ello.

X3 is the one I have pencilled in.

1 hour ago, Estarriol said:

X3 is the one I have pencilled in.

Is it a problem that with Integrated Astromech you don't want to discard your droid except to save a point of damage?

4 minutes ago, ayedubbleyoo said:

Is it a problem that with Integrated Astromech you don't want to discard your droid except to save a point of damage?

There's no reason you can't take this droid with IA. But if you use it to ignore obstacles, then obviously no IA. You can keep it as an insurance policy.

Ont thing with that Astromech is you need to activate it before you reveal your maneuver, so it requires a bit of foresight.

Ello doesn't really need X3 if you're flying right, but it's good if you have a blonde moment. or need to catch the opponent off guard. He doesn't need an R2 and he can't take R2D6 so that kind of rules out other 1 cost astros, and you've got him as an extra shield incase the bad guys decide to kill Ello.

One other cool thing about X3 is that also allows you to ignore obstacles when firing as well so you can deny your opponent the extra die, but receive the extra die yourself. Situational but good to know!

I hadn't thought about the shooting aspect, interesting point.

Ok squad mates, tonight I flew this list 2-0

Poe Jess Nien - (100)

Jess Pava (28) - T-70 X-Wing
M9-G8 (3), Integrated Astromech (0)

Nien Nunb (33) - T-70 X-Wing
Snap Shot (2), R3-A2 (2), Integrated Astromech (0)

Poe Dameron (39) - T-70 X-Wing
Push The Limit (3), BB-8 (2), Pattern Analyzer (2), Black One (1), Integrated Astromech (0)

against my opponent from last week who wanted to keep practicing his Whisper Sabacc Soontir list.

Nein was the hero both games with his brutal double stress.

Game one was pretty lopsided, I managed to double stress Whisper. Game 2 he added on adaptive ailerons and Sabacc was much more effective. Flying PS 8 Poe without regen is an act of faith. He did alright in game one but went down in game 2.

I'm ready to fly this list in a tournament to see how it will do against some other lists. So far I'm 5-0 flying some variation of this.

Im not sure I want to fly BB-8 PTL Poe at PS8 but there aren't enough points to fly PS9 Poe with this build. I might go back to VI with R5-P9.

Again B1 title underwhelmed. I only used it to shed a TL from Whisper's FCS once in both games. If anything is going to get dropped from this list it would be that.

Most likely I'm getting a false sense of security, but I'm on a roll so far!

FYI: adaptive ailerons counts as a maneuver so that will trigger snap shot.

On 4/8/2017 at 2:54 PM, BlodVargarna said:

Nien can also T-Roll or K-Turn and if he winds up range 1 and enemy in arc, he tosses that stress too.

Being able to do this is awesome by the way. Pulling a talon roll and getting a focus or boost is key. I was able to do this tonight at a key point in the game.

5 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

Being able to do this is awesome by the way. Pulling a talon roll and getting a focus or boost is key. I was able to do this tonight at a key point in the game.

This is why Ello has been so good for me, pulled it off a couple of times with Nien now too.

Last night I faced two Y-Wings with TLT, only survived because of Poe's regeneration. Still struggling against attacks that don't rely on arc.

I did miss BB8 but the shield regeneration is hard to turn down.

6 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

Ok squad mates, tonight I flew this list 2-0

Poe Jess Nien - (100)

Jess Pava (28) - T-70 X-Wing
M9-G8 (3), Integrated Astromech (0)

Nien Nunb (33) - T-70 X-Wing
Snap Shot (2), R3-A2 (2), Integrated Astromech (0)

Poe Dameron (39) - T-70 X-Wing
Push The Limit (3), BB-8 (2), Pattern Analyzer (2), Black One (1), Integrated Astromech (0)

against my opponent from last week who wanted to keep practicing his Whisper Sabacc Soontir list.

Nein was the hero both games with his brutal double stress.

Game one was pretty lopsided, I managed to double stress Whisper. Game 2 he added on adaptive ailerons and Sabacc was much more effective. Flying PS 8 Poe without regen is an act of faith. He did alright in game one but went down in game 2.

I'm ready to fly this list in a tournament to see how it will do against some other lists. So far I'm 5-0 flying some variation of this.

Im not sure I want to fly BB-8 PTL Poe at PS8 but there aren't enough points to fly PS9 Poe with this build. I might go back to VI with R5-P9.

Again B1 title underwhelmed. I only used it to shed a TL from Whisper's FCS once in both games. If anything is going to get dropped from this list it would be that.

Most likely I'm getting a false sense of security, but I'm on a roll so far!

FYI: adaptive ailerons counts as a maneuver so that will trigger snap shot.

You could cut pattern analyzer and black one for PS 9 poe and primed thrusters. I think regen may be better for this list though since you want formation flying for Jess and regen can cause them to target poe over nien.

Had a blast today with:

"Snap" Wexley (28)
Expertise (4)
R2 Astromech (1)
Weapons Guidance (2)
Integrated Astromech (0)

, thank you all for the inspiration

Got destroyed easily twice tonight and won once.

First destruction from a B-Wing/X-Wing/X-Wing list due to horrible flying on my part. Also didn't know that the B-Wing had a 2-speed k-turn, and was carrying a heavy laser cannon, so that went badly.

Then I beat a Phantom/Striker/Striker list. These lists are the ones I am more confident of beating now, basically things where I can revert to the plan of just flying better than them and each ship can match up against each opponent to some extent.

Then I played mindlinked scout/bossk/palob. Managed to use Nien to mess with them a little via stress, and got a few heavy hits in. But overall I got a bit confused by the many threats (turret, token theft, 360 arc, 180 arc, blocking, mindlink) that I ended up not dealing with any of them correctly. I find these opponents by far the hardest, I guess what I need to do is make sure all my ships are attacking the same opponent as much as possible.

So still learning from every game.

Had a think on a different angle:

Nien Nunb (33)
T-70 X-Wing (29), Targeting Astromech (2), Stay on Target (2), Integrated Astromech (0)

Poe Dameron (PS8 Version) (37)
T-70 X-Wing (31), R5-P9 (3), Pattern Analyzer (2), Calculation (1), Integrated Astromech (0)

Jess Pava (29)
T-70 X-Wing (25), R3 Astromech (2), Sensor Cluster (2), Integrated Astromech (0)

Since I'm planning to practice formation flying and converging on one target, I've gone for Jess instead of Ello. Added Calculation to Poe just because he seems to last until a point where adding critical hits could swing a game, and/or target large ships with few shields.

Can't decide on this Nien vs the stress-giving version, I like this combination but the stress could be very handy against things like mindlink.

R3 astromech is just not that good. You need to roll a focus when you shoot to get the evade, so Jess isn't going to benefit from it likely until after she's already been shot at by higher PS ships. I get that you can keep the token with Comm link, but for 4 points, I think it will have limited utility.

I can't help but think M9-G8 is the ideal astromech for Jess. I'd drop R3 and Sensor cluster in favor of that.

As for Poe, I could see calculation being useful at a critical (see what I did there) point in the match, but Poe really wants to hang onto his focus token if he is going to be receiving return fire.

I love the Nien build. I think I want to try it out. If you can manage to get him in range one with your SOT you will get fully modded shots. In fact, I think if you put pattern analyzer on Nein, it would be even better for those times you wind up in R2 or out of arc after your move you could still get a TL and a focus token.

Anyhow, please let us know how your build works out!

I actually thought that about Calculation when I looked back at the list. Would potentially open up Poe to damage and also compromise regenerating shields.

M9-G8 is a really good idea, I hadn't really understood how it works.

I like that Nien too, although if matched against a lot of mindlink you would miss the stress-dealing.

Just posting my current iteration of the trip t70 build, I'll be trying it out on Monday so can report findings back then. The general strategy is go hard and fast, focusing on one target at a time.

Any thoughts, let me know.

Snap Wexley

Veteran Instincts

Targeting Astromech

Integrated Astromech

Pattern Analyser

Black One

34

Nien Nunb

Rage

R3 A2

Pattern Analyser

Experimental Interface

37

Jess Pava

M9 G8

Integrated Astromech

28

-99pts

28 minutes ago, Torches said:

Nien Nunb

Rage

R3 A2

Pattern Analyser

Experimental Interface

37

I like this!