Just now, Magnus Grendel said:

That's why in a previous edition she paired very well with Red Ace (now Joph Seastriker) - M9-G8 gives him attack rerolls, he gives Jess attack rerolls, but crucially Joph, like Jess, is harder to kill than a normal T-70 because you can't concentrate fire effectively on him.

True, but Bastian provides a lot of punch, particularly if he has torps.

2 minutes ago, wurms said:

I just did Poe/Nein/Bastian with Torpedos. Posted about it in this thread HERE . Really good list. Might try HLC on Poe and Nein (or Ello). Bastian has been my favorite T70. Been running him since first cracking open my resistance box. Naked, M9G8, or torps. Torps is by far my favorite with him.

I'll have to still check that out. I ended up getting in some lunchtime games today in with an XXAA Resistance list which I really like. I'm looking forward to getting some comparison games in with more T-210 lists.

1 hour ago, Magnus Grendel said:

That has three issues, though:

1. Homing missiles are great weapons for their cost but not actually a great alpha strike weapon since they will rarely cause more than 1 damage
2. (rather more importantly) I don't actually own an A-wing
3. Heresy.

Just to address #1.

I think this is true in general. A swarm of 3x A-Wings, Poe, all with Homing seems... not really that great of an Alpha. But in the context of 2x double-mod Torpedoes, having the 3rd attack being Homing doesn't seem too bad.

5 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

I don't actually own an A-wing

Did you ever hear of the tragedy of Magnus Grendel the wise? I thought not, it's not a story the community would tell you. Magnus Grendel was a connoisseur of generics so efficient and so wise, he could use tactics to influence the game to create beauty. He had such a knowledge of the generics, he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. Unfortunately, he never got an RZ2 A-wing. Then his resistance opponent killed all his ships. Ironic. He could convince others of the power of massed resistance generics, but not himself.

On 1/4/2019 at 1:57 PM, wurms said:

I just did Poe/Nein/Bastian with Torpedos. Posted about it in this thread HERE . Really good list. Might try HLC on Poe and Nein (or Ello). Bastian has been my favorite T70. Been running him since first cracking open my resistance box. Naked, M9G8, or torps. Torps is by far my favorite with him.

I finally got Poe/Nien/Bastian on the table. I ran them with HLC on Poe/Nien and M9-G8 on Bastian. I'm taking a purposeful approach to getting better with the HLC shots in anticipation of a proton torps point increase and, well, just trying to get better. By the third game, I was starting to line up the bullseye without using a reposition, I'm starting to see that matrix. Also, got 4 stress on Nien in one turn and cleared it all...was pretty hilarious.

I ran HLC Poe last night, very good. Also keeps him alive because he can skirt around doing it at R3. Especially with Trick Shot.

I need a hyperspace list for a tournament tomorrow, have Poe/Nien/Lulo at the moment but looking to decide on 3 T70s really...

Nien is amazing but I can't seem to stop him being killed because he brawls at R1 so well. Must remember not to just throw him in there

I'm still experimenting around. Tried the HLC variant, but had not much success with it. Must be my flying, though.

14 hours ago, Stefan said:

I'm still experimenting around. Tried the HLC variant, but had not much success with it. Must be my flying, though.

I think that's the case for most of us. It'll take a while, but I think the dividends would be great.

I flew Imperial all through 1.0, never bought an X-Wing outside of the core set. Since getting back into it with 2.0 I am trying new waters, X-Wing flavoured waters, (both T-65 and T-70). This weekend I flew the following, which tabled my opponent:

Poe
Black One
Heroic
R4 Astromech

Ello Asty
Heroic

Nien Nunb
Heroic
Pattern Analyser

My thoughts on Heroic is to have it there "just in case", and definitely not to use as a crutch. As it happens I only triggered it once in the game, (defensively), the dice were on my side. The consensus was to just get stuck in and out-manoeuvre my opponent's ships - utilising Ello's white talons and Nien's ability to perform a red manoeuvre, perform an action, get stressed and then hopefully be within range 1, (which he generally was), so he can remove the stress and perform a second action. It was glorious, and so much fun! Poe was an absolute beast too, potentially my favourite, (non force, Supernatural Vader 4eva), pilot in the game so far.

I'm not that big a fan of having loads of upgrades on a pilot to make them do this, that and the other - handshaking with other pilots. I think this worked because the three pilots were independent but worked beautifully as a squadron.

Cheers

1 hour ago, Blast Tundra said:

I'm not that big a fan of having loads of upgrades on a pilot to make them do this, that and the other - handshaking with other pilots. I think this worked because the three pilots were independent but worked beautifully as a squadron.

This. Pilot abilities which are complementary (like Inferno Squad's multiple "if the enemy ship has a damage card" abilities) are great, but not ones where there's a 'chain of events' which needs to happen to work (like a swarm tactics/targeting synchroniser ace supporting multiple low initiative missile carriers) because it's so easy to have the one critical 'cog' punched out in the first engagement.

7 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

This. Pilot abilities which are complementary (like Inferno Squad's multiple "if the enemy ship has a damage card" abilities) are great, but not ones where there's a 'chain of events' which needs to happen to work (like a swarm tactics/targeting synchroniser ace supporting multiple low initiative missile carriers) because it's so easy to have the one critical 'cog' punched out in the first engagement.

Agreed in general, but Null lists like Null/Swarm Tactics + multiple SF/Swarm/Cluster/Hotshot lists shoot at i7 before you could possibly knock a cog out. And if they range control (keep Null at R4) then you are screwed on second engagement as well. Taking a single swarmer out doesn't break the chain.

59 minutes ago, prauxim said:

Agreed in general, but Null lists like Null/Swarm Tactics + multiple SF/Swarm/Cluster/Hotshot lists shoot at i7 before you could possibly knock a cog out.

Roark/Han/Dash or Heightened Perception/Torpedoes Luke, for example. Plus, you can hold "Null" back if all he's doing is providing swarm tactics but if he's also carrying the targeting synchroniser (which I have seen several times) he has to come into shooting range to acquire a lock.

7 minutes ago, Magnus Grendel said:

Roark/Han/Dash or Heightened Perception/Torpedoes Luke, for example. Plus, you can hold "Null" back if all he's doing is providing swarm tactics but if he's also carrying the targeting synchroniser (which I have seen several times) he has to come into shooting range to acquire a lock.

I mean yeah if that's already what you run. You could run the mirror with a higher bid as well. But I don't the list isn't enough of a monster to specifically tech against.

I played 4x such lists wince wave 2 and only 1 one ran target sync, it is bad for the reasons you've mentioned.

What do you guys think of this one??

(68) Poe Dameron
(8) BB-8
(4) Heavy Laser Cannon
(0) Integrated S-foils
(1) Trick Shot
(6) Ferrosphere Paint
(2) Black One
Points 89

(54) Temmin Wexley
(2) Composure
(0) Integrated S-foils
(2) R4 Astromech
Points 58

(48) Lieutenant Bastian
(0) Integrated S-foils
(2) R4 Astromech
Points 50

Total points: 197

11 hours ago, Dreadai said:

What do you guys think of this one??

(68) Poe Dameron
(8) BB-8
(4) Heavy Laser Cannon
(0) Integrated S-foils
(1) Trick Shot
(6) Ferrosphere Paint
(2) Black One
Points 89

(54) Temmin Wexley
(2) Composure
(0) Integrated S-foils
(2) R4 Astromech
Points 58

(48) Lieutenant Bastian
(0) Integrated S-foils
(2) R4 Astromech
Points 50

Total points: 197

if you're prepared to burn a point of bid, I suspect R3 will do Bastian better than R4 - letting him snap up a second lock on a target taking damage even if he already has one.

Temmin, on the other hand, is well served since his ability triggers on speed 2+ (rather than the speed 3+ of afterburners), so he can come out of a talon roll into a hard turn and still get a boost (or a focus if you pull off composure).

Poe looks good. Theoretically Trick Shot/Cannon can rack up 5 dice but I severely doubt you'll be able to 'skewer' both a range 2+ target and an obstacle with a bullseye arc very reliably. Still, it means an extra dice under more circumstances, which is good, and it's hardly expensive.

I discounted R3 with Bastian as his ability doesn't proc the second lock ... but I forgot about the ability to maintain two locks even if you don't take a second. Cheers ... list updated

How is the interaction (or lack thereof) with Bastian and R3, exactly? I'm confused.

21 minutes ago, Stefan said:

How is the interaction (or lack thereof) with Bastian and R3, exactly? I'm confused.

Bastian's ability is "acquire" a LOCK, whereas R3 triggers when you perform a LOCK action, so you don't get a second LOCK with one trigger of his ability.

28 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Bastian's ability is "acquire" a LOCK, whereas R3   triggers when you perform a LOCK action, so you  don't get a second LOC  K with one trigger of his ability.     

It does, however, allow you to maintain the lock on his wingman when he acquires a lock through his ability, which is pretty handy nonetheless!

14 minutes ago, DexterOnone said:

It does, however, allow you to maintain the lock on his wingman when he acquires a lock through his ability, which is pretty handy nonetheless!

How is having a LOCK on your wingman useful for Bastian if he has R3 instead of M9-G8?

7 minutes ago, gennataos said:

How is having a LOCK on your wingman useful for Bastian if he has R3 instead of M9-G8?

Just knowing Bastian's thinking about you makes you roll better.

21 minutes ago, gennataos said:

How is having a LOCK on your wingman useful for Bastian if he has R3 instead of M9-G8?

Fair point... that’s what comes of overdosing on Lemsip and cough syrup. Stupid bloody viruses!

But I could, in theory, maintain a TL with an action and get another one for free and keep both?

2 hours ago, Stefan said:

But I could, in theory, maintain a TL with an action and get another one for free and keep both?

Yes. The "you may maintain 2 locks" bit it independent of the "after you target lock, acquire a lock" bit - you can have two locks, regardless of where you get the second one from.

Been having great fun by going back to Poe/Nien/Ello.

Just classic X-Wing, everything is about planning, as well as getting the most out of the great pilot abilities.

Will take it to a tournament next weekend and see how we’re looking against serious stuff 😀

On 1/20/2019 at 5:04 PM, ayedubbleyoo said:

Been having great fun by going back to Poe/Nien/Ello.

Just classic X-Wing, everything is about planning, as well as getting the most out of the great pilot abilities.

Will take it to a tournament next weekend and see how we’re looking against serious stuff 😀

Would love to read some bat reps.

I'm torn over whether I'd rather have Heroic Ello, or Bastian and get 3x HLC's in the squad.