Can I use the claim action on Starship Graveyard if my deck is empty? Actually, my deck doesn't exist anymore (no more cards to draw, as mentioned in the definition of 'deck' found in the complete rulebook)

Thanks

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Sparviero said:

Can I use the claim action on Starship Graveyard if my deck is empty? Actually, my deck doesn't exist anymore (no more cards to draw, as mentioned in the definition of 'deck' found in the complete rulebook)

Thanks

Under Deck:

"The deck refers to the stack of face down cards a player has not drawn yet[RR 10]."

Under Draw:

"Whenever a player draws a card they take the top card of their deck and add it to their hand.... if a player cannot draw any cards, then nothing happens [RR 15]."

So your deck is a stack of cards. If you can target your deck with draw, and you can draw zero cards, then If you have zero cards you still have a deck. You just have a deck of zero cards.

So starship graveyard would add one card from discard to your deck of zero cards.

This is how I read those rules. This is loose. I've always played it like this too.

Yes. In theory, it is impossible to mill a starship graveyard list,

I mean, except for all the cards that can mill you after you claim...

10 hours ago, WonderWAAAGH said:

I mean, except for all the cards that can mill you after you claim...

I have one card in hand, no cards in my deck. I have the battlefield.

I choose to roll out a character. My opponent rolls a discard or forces me to discard my final hand, whatever. I Claim the battlefield, return an upgrade to my deck and wait. There's very few cards the currently discard direct from my deck in this situation (Padme special I think), and then at the upkeep, I still have a card in my deck to draw, thus I'm not milled.

Rinse and repeat.

I've played a Jabba/Dooku deck like this - I just continued to roll out Han and if my opponent didn't roll any discard sides I dealt the damage - any time I was forced to discard I just claimed as my action. Mill decks rarely deal damage so I should survive long enough for my natural damage sides to come up.

I agree it's not exactly the greatest or most reliable thing in the world, but it makes for a good safety net when playing against mill decks, of which there are a few in the local area.

Don't Get Cocky, Jedi Council, and Patience immediately come to mind. My point, I think, is that it's perfectly possible to mill someone using the tools that mill decks employ - not "theoretically impossible."

1 hour ago, WonderWAAAGH said:

Don't Get Cocky, Jedi Council, and Patience immediately come to mind. My point, I think, is that it's perfectly possible to mill someone using the tools that mill decks employ - not "theoretically impossible."

So by all those cards, you mean three.

And if you don't have them, then yes, it is impossible - thus making it possible to prevent milling. This is especially key in the current meta, as the main mill decks are all villain, so you can't use any of those cards. Again, you can run a Padme/Blue deck I suppose, but they're no-where near as strong.

All it takes is one card to make the impossible possible.

That's why I said 'In theory', not 'it is'

All it takes is a lack of a card to make the possible impossible.

On a general level your theory is wrong, though. If you had originally said something less definitive - like that villain decks can't mill against the GY - then you'd have a case, but saying that something which is clearly possible is impossible is patently false. Time to own it and move on.

Where would be the fun in that?

Indeed.