Seeing a lot of rebel Aces lists going up and it got me thinking about it too. This would be my take on rebel Aces. Obviously Corran would struggle verse Kylo, but less chance of seeing Kylo than Ho-shot Co-pilot so figured he would be a better option than Poe in current meta.

I like it. Especially the choice of Juke over VI on Jake. That way you might actually do some damage even without prockets. I can see what you're trying to do with Ahsoka, but I'm not sure it's better than just using VI and captured TIE on her. Then you could also replace RecSpec with a 2-point crew (probably Jyn or Jan after preference) and replace FCS om Corran with Advanced Sensors. I think that would be better for that built.

I'm a big fan of VI Jake but Juke Jake is a nice change up. I'm not sure how you could fit it in there but with Corran if you could get Ahsoka flanking him with caputed TIE and Kanan Jarrus It would really open his dial to be able to catch people out with the hard 2 whilst stressed but not sure where you'd get the points from

So been thinking about this all morning. My 2 cents: I like the idea of Kanan, but then ahsoka is likely naked and only there for support until she gets smoked. My thought is keep RecSpec and drop juke for either wingman and a bid or give her PTL also and have to drop autothrusters (or juke to VetInst) on Jake. Ahsoka can then have 2 focus and an evade then give one of the others a round 12 action so long as they are close. I picture it easier for Ahsoka and Corran to fly together.

Had a game with the list last night before any games f these comments came through. It preformed as most people thought.

Juke did nothing on Ahsoka. Often found myself using a focus token to reposition the A or E-wing. PTL off Ahsoka's free action after a bump or flying through an astrode is super handy! And whatever shooting she did do was mostly evaded... I think she did like 1 total damage before being destroyed. Probably go with most people's suggestions of VI and Captured Tie instead of Juke. Not too sure about Kanan though, might give him a go but not sure if he was needed. Rey might be another good choice that way if She is blocked I can still hand out actions, thoughts? That would also give me a 1 point bid.

Juke Jake worked better than expected often pushing through 1 or more damage a turn. He also had 'Direct Hit' Kyloed onto him all game and evaded everything thrown at him. This was just luck that he managed to survive some of those shots but I'm pretty happy with his build overall.

Nothing to change on Corran in my opinion. I've tryed Advance Sensor Corran in the past and much prefer FCS on him.

Thanks for the suggestions guys!

Just a heads up, when you said that Jake had 'Direct Hit' Kyloed onto him all game, if you meant that it was assigned to him via 'I'll Show You The Power of the Dark Side', then that wasn't actually an option. Kylo can only assign Pilot type damage cards, so 'Direct Hit' isn't an option.

If that's not what you meant, then completely ignore me! haha

1 hour ago, Norphinkr21 said:

Just a heads up, when you said that Jake had 'Direct Hit' Kyloed onto him all game, if you meant that it was assigned to him via 'I'll Show You The Power of the Dark Side', then that wasn't actually an option. Kylo can only assign Pilot type damage cards, so 'Direct Hit' isn't an option.

If that's not what you meant, then completely ignore me! haha

Thanks for heads up there, it was the first time my friend used Kylo so must have misread the card and I didn't check it myself. Ultimately it didn't make a difference in game since Jake evaded every attack, but at least I know for next time.

I have flown a very similar list a fair bit, except a prototype a-wing as the 3rd ship (rather than Ahsoka). However, I think its a mistake to run anything but proton rockets on Jake. He's completely sacrificial, so Juke is really not necessary. You don't care if he lives after the rockets are fired (although its a nice bonus of course). Once he delivers that 5 dice attack, followed up by Corran's double tap, often you've either won or lost the game right there (depending on the results of all those dice).

I have also faced this exact same build archetype, and it was very effective. My opponent was a very skilled player from the UK and I think it was a very effective list. The list was:

Corran w/ PTL, R2-D2, FCS & engine = 48

Jake w/ PTL, VI (test pilot), autothrusters & proton rockets = 33

Ahsoka w/ VI & captured TIE = 19

100

I think its important to leave Ahsoka as cheap as possible. She cannot contribute much offense no matter what cards you put on her, and she is purely a support ship. She wants to focus all the time, so Juke makes absolutely no sense on her. Her ability is nice because it practically guarantees Jake will get off his proton rockets against the most desired target. It also allows Corran to get into perfect position or to stack all the tokens (F+E+TL) as needed.

And if your opponent is able to shoot at her (PS9+) its not all bad----it means he's most likely splitting fire (usually not wise).

Perhaps it would be worth considering crackshot on Jake instead of VI (to make the procket sting even more), but that's about the only change I think might be worth considering, imho.

Appreciate the response!

Juke has been removed from Ahsoka, found in my experience last night it was useless on her. I like the look of the list one of your opponents had. I am quite convinced of keeping Juke on Jake however. Probably thinking swapping out autothrusters for guidance chips since Jake is sacrificial after the rockets are fired?

Something like this:

Corran w/ PTL, R2-D2, FCS and EU = 48pt

Jake w/ PTL, Juke (test pilot), PRockets & GChips = 32pt

Aksok w/ VI & Captured Tie = 19pt

Total = 99pt

can force through some more damage too. Jake moves, evades as and action. At the start of combat Ahsoka sends focus to give Jake an action. Jake focuses to get a free boost/barrel roll to get in R1 is required, PTLs for a TL and lets loose the rockets for 5 dice with focus, TL and GChips to modify with juke to force that extra damage through.

5 hours ago, intoxicatedALF said:

Appreciate the response!

Juke has been removed from Ahsoka, found in my experience last night it was useless on her. I like the look of the list one of your opponents had. I am quite convinced of keeping Juke on Jake however. Probably thinking swapping out autothrusters for guidance chips since Jake is sacrificial after the rockets are fired?

Something like this:

Corran w/ PTL, R2-D2, FCS and EU = 48pt

Jake w/ PTL, Juke (test pilot), PRockets & GChips = 32pt

Aksok w/ VI & Captured Tie = 19pt

Total = 99pt

can force through some more damage too. Jake moves, evades as and action. At the start of combat Ahsoka sends focus to give Jake an action. Jake focuses to get a free boost/barrel roll to get in R1 is required, PTLs for a TL and lets loose the rockets for 5 dice with focus, TL and GChips to modify with juke to force that extra damage through.

Looks solid. I would just change i thing:

-Juke and Guidance chips on Jake. He does not need the latter at all. With TL and Focus thats 4 hits anyway. And he NEEDS those autothrusters to stay alive especially in basically 2 ship list. Unfortunate that he needs Juke dropped for that Consider Trickshot maybe to boost his offence?

I like the combo of possible both boost+barrel roll in the combat phase - that can be really hard to deal with.

8 hours ago, blade_mercurial said:

I have flown a very similar list a fair bit, except a prototype a-wing as the 3rd ship (rather than Ahsoka). However, I think its a mistake to run anything but proton rockets on Jake. He's completely sacrificial, so Juke is really not necessary. You don't care if he lives after the rockets are fired (although its a nice bonus of course). Once he delivers that 5 dice attack, followed up by Corran's double tap, often you've either won or lost the game right there (depending on the results of all those dice).

I'd be reluctant to regard Jake as a Procketing sacrificial lamb. A GSP maybe but I think that 33 points is a lot of points to invest in a 5 dice attack and I'd much rather set up my attack in a position where he's not likely to get shot back. Even if his attacks are pretty ineffective against high agility ships he is still pretty hard to hit and can chip away (albeit very) slowly.

I do get what you mean though. I guess Jake is like a little terrier that's nice to have around but really ain't gonna cut it as a guard dog.

Also if I'm running this list I'd probably look at:

Standard 48pt Corran

VI Captured TIE Ahsoka

Jake with Prockets, AT's, PTL and your 1pt elite talent of choice (I'd go VI but trickshot and crackshot are good options and at a push wired in case he gets double stress (AsaJJ) and cannot perform actions). Alternatively Adaptability puts him at PS8 with Corran and a 1pt inititive bid

Very cool trio of pilots. I will try it for sure. Several great ideas here. Here's another version:

Jake (VI, PTL, Test Pilot, Chardaan Refit, Autothrusters)

Corran (PTL, R2-D2, FCS, Hull)

Ahsoka (VI, Sabine's Masterpiece, Kanan, Black Market Slicer Tools, Captured TIE)

99 points

8 hours ago, J Viz said:

I'd be reluctant to regard Jake as a Procketing sacrificial lamb. A GSP maybe but I think that 33 points is a lot of points to invest in a 5 dice attack and I'd much rather set up my attack in a position where he's not likely to get shot back. Even if his attacks are pretty ineffective against high agility ships he is still pretty hard to hit and can chip away (albeit very) slowly.

I do get what you mean though. I guess Jake is like a little terrier that's nice to have around but really ain't gonna cut it as a guard dog.

Well, when I called him sacrificial, I was thinking of using him to cripple higher point targets. I would not throw him away needlessly at low value targets, but to be honest, your opponent might not want to shoot at Jake even if you are aggressive with him, simply because he/she might want to kill one of your other ships first.

For example, my last game with this list was against Rey + Poe. Being able to charge in with Jake to deliver the prockets at R1 plus a R2 double tap from Corran put so much damage on Rey that I was able to finish her off shortly after. And Jake ended up being 'safe' since the opponent really wanted to kill Corran.

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One thing to remember about Juke though is that with the rise of Mindlink lists and Expertise starting to become more popular, there are going to be more and more lists that are just not that bothered by Juke's effects...

1 hour ago, blade_mercurial said:

One thing to remember about Juke though is that with the rise of Mindlink lists and Expertise starting to become more popular, there are going to be more and more lists that are just not that bothered by Juke's effects...

Very valid point there... hmmm another option might be to scratch Jake all together for another consistent damage dealer (3 red dice instead of 2) perhaps like Snap Wesley or Nien Numb? No 5 dice super attack sure, but might work... thoughts?

You will lose the agility, but for more bite and control, a Stramm stress mule is 32pts

Stramm ARC: Gunner, R3-A2, AO

With that thought a Y PS2 with TLT, R3-A2, BTL-A4 and Ahsoka with BMST could add some fun too......

Just me thinking what I would experiment with.

Example:

Corran Horn (48) - E-Wing

Push The Limit (3), R2-D2 (4), Fire Control System (2), Engine Upgrade (4)

Ahsoka Tano (23) - TIE Fighter

Veteran Instincts (1), Sabine's Masterpiece (1), Kanan Jarrus (3), Black Market Slicer Tools (1), Captured Tie (1)

Gold Squadron Pilot (29) - Y-Wing

Twin Laser Turret (6), R3-A2 (2), BTL-A4 Y-wing (0), Vectored Thrusters (2)

Personally not a huge fan of the BMST, and as much as I love the stress hogs, I think I'd prefer to try and keep this list acey.

Was thinking Snap would work as a replacement for Jake as they both have great repositioning abilities. Was thinking something along the lines of:

Hey, what about Swarm Leader on Jake? Then he would be much more of a threat than with prockets - and it's cheaper and not 1 use only! Also, BMST on Ahsoka to spice things up!Look:

A-Wing : •Jake Farrell ( Autothrusters; Push The Limit; Swarm Leader; Chardaan Refit; A-Wing Test Pilot) 30

E-Wing : •Corran Horn ( Engine Upgrade; Push The Limit; Fire Control System; •R2-D2) 48

Tie Fighter : •Ahsoka Tano ( •Captured Tie; Sabine's Masterpiece; Adaptability; Rey; Black Market Slicer Tools) 19

With BMST Ahsoka also becomes a threat, not only a support ship. Rey to bank up some focus tokens early and to profit later.

How does it look like?

2 hours ago, Jedu said:

Hey, what about Swarm Leader on Jake? Then he would be much more of a threat than with prockets - and it's cheaper and not 1 use only! Also, BMST on Ahsoka to spice things up!Look:

Not really useful in this list. Corran doesn't want to 'spend' his evade to power an attack, because he's Public Enemy #1.

Ahsoka should not be evading. Its almost always better for her to focus. So no synergy with Swarm Leader. Same reason Juke is crap on her.

15 hours ago, blade_mercurial said:

Ahsoka should not be evading. Its almost always better for her to focus. So no synergy with Swarm Leader. Same reason Juke is crap on her.

Ahsoka can take a focus action, and use her ability on herself in the combat phase, to take a evade action, so Juke is not totally worthless. That's what I think OP tried to do with Juke+Recon Specialist, to have her enter combat with Focus, Evade, Juke if everything goes right. I still think VI+Captured TIE is better thought.

By adding Jyn to the TIE, I think it opens up the option for replacing PTL with VI on Corran (PS10), by using Jyn to put focus on Corran. Jyn can add more than one focus, the range is increased to 1-2, and it can be done without taking stress. Also, Jyn can be used with Jake for extra move options.

The EMP Device is situational. But it is just such a waste to do nothing in the combat phase and the EMP seems like a cheap offensive option while the Captured TIE is still working. And it could make it easier to set Corran up for a double blast.

Also, I prefer R5-P9 over R2, and Jyn works very well with this option.

E-Wing: Corran Horn (VI; Engine Upgrade; Fire Control System; R5-P9) 45

A-Wing: Jake Farrell (VI; A-Wing Test Pilot; Push The Limit; Proton Rockets; Guidance Chips) 31

Tie Fighter: Ahsoka Tano (VI, Captured Tie; EMP Device; Sabine's Masterpiece; Jyn Erso) 24

Note: I have not yet played this specific build

8 hours ago, Yearfire said:

Ahsoka can take a focus action, and use her ability on herself in the combat phase, to take a evade action, so Juke is not totally worthless. That's what I think OP tried to do with Juke+Recon Specialist, to have her enter combat with Focus, Evade, Juke if everything goes right. I still think VI+Captured TIE is better thought.

To me, that just defeats the entire purpose of taking her. She's there to power up the other ships. If she's using her ability to protect yourself, then it seems a complete waste to me. Jake & Corran are far more valuable/dangerous.

8 hours ago, blade_mercurial said:

To me, that just defeats the entire purpose of taking her. She's there to power up the other ships. If she's using her ability to protect yourself, then it seems a complete waste to me. Jake & Corran are far more valuable/dangerous.

I agree with that in general. But sometimes you don't want to rely on her with Jake and Corran. You want to push the limit during their activation. Then you will be stressed, and can't take Ahsoka's free action. Then she can use it herself. VI+Captured TIE is probably still better, thought. But Juke+RecSpec is not worthless.