Zeb Pilot vs Bossk Pilot

By Umber Hawk, in X-Wing Rules Questions

I tried looking this up but didn't see anything that looked relevant nor did I find an answer in FAQ. Just a quick (hopefully) question.

Zeb Pilot: "when defending, you may cancel crit results before hit results."

Bossk Pilot: "When you perform an attack that hits, before dealing damage, you may cancel 1 of your crit results to add 2 hit results."

Lets say Bossk rolls 1 hit and 1 crit. Zeb rolls 1 evade. The attack is now in the "hit" category. Zeb however cancels the crit from Bossk instead of the hit. Even though Bossk's attack is hitting, does he still get to cancel that crit and add 2 dice, or is the crit out of play once Zeb cancels it.

It would seem to me that the crit is out of play and Bossk just gets 1 standard hit on Zeb but I am not sure.

I understand it is assumed that if bossk's attack is hitting, then after canceling dice he will be left with crit results, except for in this unique situation, which is why the card isn't worded slightly differently Like "When you perform an attack that hits, before dealing damage, you may cancel 1 of your uncancelled crit results to add 2 hit results." but since it does not specifically say uncancelled my question was born to me.

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Lets say Bossk rolls 1 hit and 1 crit. Zeb rolls 1 evade. The attack is now in the "hit" category. Zeb however cancels the crit from Bossk instead of the hit. Even though Bossk's attack is hitting, does he still get to cancel that crit and add 2 dice, or is the crit out of play once Zeb cancels it.

Incorrect. The evade cancel the crit because of Zeb's ability, then you check to see if the attack is a hit. If you checked for a hit before cancelling attack dice, then cancelled attacks would still hit for no damage!

1 hit + 1 crit. Evade cancels the crit. The attack now has 1 hit remaining and is called a hit. Bossk cannot use his ability because there is not a crit in the dice pool.

my apologies for the unclear statement. I was skipping obvious steps to shorten the post, making the assumption that the 1 evade would be cancelling only 1 of the dice, yielding a hit result. but I understand your explanation. So its understand that once a dice (hit or crit) is cancelled, its like it never even happened? Got it thanks.

p.s. beginning your statement with "incorrect" and then generally agreeing with my assumption is a bit misleading ;)

Edited by Whispering Hawk

It's not that it never happened, but that cancelled dice are removed from the dice pool: results and dice are completely inseperable. Only dice left in the pool are counted. Keeping things in order is important. You must know precisely when an attack is declared a hit to know when to use Bossk's ability, and this is what people tend to get wrong. You can have 20 evade results, but the attack isn't a hit or miss until you get to the compare results step and establish which is the case.

"Players ignore all canceled results." Rules Reference, Page 8 under "Cancel"

Follow the Timing Chart in the FAQ. Zeb's pilot ability triggers during step 6. Bossk's pilot ability triggers between step 6 and 7 (after Zeb.)

6 minutes ago, Whispering Hawk said:

its like it never even happened?

Yes I understand all of this. I am keen on timing and following the flow chart, I am not putting those steps into my post and elaborating on them because it is not what my question was is about. my question was geared more around not having the phrase "uncancelled crit result" in Bossk's text. Once you establish that an attack "hits", after all those steps, but he only hits with hit results, even though there was a crit rolled, does he get to use it if it was cancelled by defense dice? which I believe we both agree he does not. I just wanted a second opinion.

Thank you @jmswood , Thats the clear answer I was looking for.