Reasons for a Force Awakens wave?

By Darth Sanguis, in Star Wars: Armada

So X-wing did it, and I kinda feel like we're missing out a bit. Sure, there plenty of ships and people to cover here in the OT time frame, but between the first order Star Destroyer, and having Leia as a commander.... There's just so much cool stuff they could be doing. Does anyone think they'll add ep VII stuff soon?

also, Kuat Drive Yards made General Leia Organa!

:D

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It should be old Leia though. Bless her heart. She was cool even when she wasn't young.
(That's a garsh darn pretty pic of Leia though. )

Also, I'd prefer a simple movies wave:

Finalizer, Large
Venator, Large but cheap and small large -> I believe this thing has two very distinct forms too, like the Venator1 and Venator2 are very different looking.
Acclimator, medium
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MC75 Fishbowl, medium
Hammerhead Corvette, small

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That evens out the ship count for imp to Rebel.

Eventually,

I'd love the CIS stuff, the long oblong CIS capital ship, the circular droid things.

Gee, I'd love to see the Clone Wars era space stuff, those were all the best part of the Prequels. The space combat vehicles. Jedi star fighters, arcs.

Problem with a TFA wave is there was only one capital ship, the Finalizer, and that's really big compared to an ISD. Small ship wise there's the T-70 X-Wing, TIE/FO, TIE/SF and Upsilon-Class Shuttle plus troop transport ships. Unfortunately I'm not sure there is enough for their own Armada wave and it's heavily titled to the Imperial/First Order size. These ships would be very nice though even if they weren't in a specialised wave.

Trying to figure out if it would be reasonable to create like a second core set box expansion box, just not a full size 100$ box like the current one. It'd be an expansion, so you'd need the core set maneuver tool, damage deck, etc...but it would just come with new ships and squads for a different era. Possibly not compatible with current squads and ships, and it wouldn't likely be tournament legal. It'd just be like a 60$ new branch of the game.

So much cool stuff???? Like what there isn't even a resistance capitol ship yet.

Maxima-A Heavy cruiser has appeared in comics. The New Republic has the Starhawk battleship from Aftermath: Life Debt - though it's described as hatchet-like, we don't know exactly what it looks like yet.

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Likely won't get any FO/ Resistance stuff until after episode 8 (which will most likely introduce a good amount of new ships)

By the second film there might be enough ships to finally give Imps their second options for large and another Rebel medium.

The issue is the time scale. At best, we're getting a new Star Wars film in Christmas. And just like with X-Wing, the initial batch of new stuff will have underpowered and overcosted everything.

1 hour ago, MandalorianMoose said:

Likely won't get any FO/ Resistance stuff until after episode 8 (which will most likely introduce a good amount of new ships)

Unless they REALLY buck their trend of 'copying the OT exactly, in every detail' (which it sounds like they aren't - we are supposedly even getting a 'dark side cave' equivalent and 'super star destroyer' in the next movie) - I wouldn't even assume episode 8 brings enough new ships to be worth doing a wave over. After all, ESB only got us (capital-ship-wise) the Executor, GR75, and Nebulon-B. Might be Episode 9 before Armada picks up the TFA-era-banner.

5 hours ago, MandalorianMoose said:

Likely won't get any FO/ Resistance stuff until after episode 8 (which will most likely introduce a good amount of new ships)

Agree with this - reckon this will be a post episode 8 wave. Just don't have enough ships yet, but if Episode 8 doesn't feature a big space battle, I'll be surprised.

A Rogue One based wave, however, I think is pretty likely, at least for Rebels. MC75 and Hammerhead Corvette are a shoe-in for the next release. What the Imps will get is less obvious - my guess would be Venator and Quasar Fire, but who knows.

7 hours ago, MandalorianMoose said:

Likely won't get any FO/ Resistance stuff until after episode 8 (which will most likely introduce a good amount of new ships)

This, I think they did not show enough ships for a wave unless they mix with rogue one ones

I will take Striker Cruiser, Carrack Cruiser, Lancer Frigate, Marauder Corvette, Correlian Gunship, or a nice set of freighter-flotillas over all new stuff any day...

Silly me, none of those are considered cool enough to ever make it into the official game...

TIE FO models would just be TIEs i think thats part of the issue as well. T70 X-Wings also wouldn't change that much.

Maybe a combo Rogue1/TFA wave but honestly I don't see enough stuff to make it happen. i am not worried about the health of armada but I am kinda unsure what the next wave could be outside of Upsilon Shuttle, all the new fighters, and that transport leia arrives on. There is stuff in the old EU for sure,

We could possible see more scum stuff with the CROC coming. Maybe a faction neutral flotilla?

I think they could release the TFA Star Destroyer, but that thing is considerably larger than an ISD. Scale worries me less than what its attributes would be and how it would be costed points wise to fit in the current 400 pt format.

It would be a shame IMHO.. It might happen if we see any Resistance capital ships in The Last Jedi.. But the timelines are way of.. It annoys me in X-wing.. and it would annoy me here.. Vader and Kylo Ren in the same fleet? .. how about: NO!

But as stated above we still have the Hammerhead, MC75 and Brahatok Gunship flotilla from Rogue One in the pipe (I assume) along with some imperial ship - Quasar Fire-class Carrier being the obvious one of for a medium ship as it is in the canon. As fo the Venator im am not so sure.. wouldnt it be another old sluggish wedge shaped thingie on a medium base- the VSD fills that niche just fine.

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7 hours ago, xanderf said:

Unless they REALLY buck their trend of 'copying the OT exactly, in every detail' (which it sounds like they aren't - we are supposedly even getting a 'dark side cave' equivalent and 'super star destroyer' in the next movie) - I wouldn't even assume episode 8 brings enough new ships to be worth doing a wave over. After all, ESB only got us (capital-ship-wise) the Executor, GR75, and Nebulon-B. Might be Episode 9 before Armada picks up the TFA-era-banner.

Remember, there were new ships in TFA that we didn't get a good look at. If they have even a semi-decent showing in the new film like a flyby we could easily see them added.

I can totally see some beats being retread in the new film. And remember, the second film of both trilogies gave us some of the most interesting stuff to play with even when it wasn't all in space. Empire had both of the walkers, snow speeders, everything on Bespin, the Nebulon-B, GR75, ISD2, and SSD. Attack of the Clones brought several new ships and squadrons and more military hardware to us, even if most of it only showed up briefly at the end. They made an entire six season TV show out of that and the opening sequence of Revenge of the Sith!

The biggest reason for a Episode VII or Episode VIII wave is because the licensor wants that to be one. There just doesn't seem to be any "there" there.

I think a far more likely place to mine for things is the Rebels show. A new " Rebels Format" with the addition of the Quasar carrier from "Homecoming" and scenarios based on episodes of the show either through new objectives and/or fleet building restrictions along with maybe some Inquisitor Ties and maybe a new squadron card for Vader and B-wings and A-wings and TIEs and VCX seems more likely. Maybe a reduced points format to say 300. New ships cards for Gozanti and CR-90s? It could be a sort of combo box of that Carrier model and Inquisitor TIEs along with the new cardboard for already released plastic.

Given that Hera will be soon breaking into Imperial Assault it seems to me Rebels is the place to look.

16 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

Given that Hera will be soon breaking into Imperial Assault it seems to me Rebels is the place to look.

Well, that and the fact that the past wave and a half has been stuff from Rebels (also prequels and EU, but most featured in Rebels):

Pelta

Arquitens

Interdictor

Half of Rebel Squadrons II

Not that I disagree with you, I think that Rebels is absolutely one place where expansions will come from this year. I think we will see stuff from Rebels and Rogue One, maybe from the Prequel/Clone Wars to even things out for the Imperials.

As for your other ideas, I like them, but I think they would fit a little better as a CC style campaign for X-Wing. The squadron game in Armada is in a very good place right now (too good in the opinion of many), and adding more squadrons isn't the right way to go IMHO. Also, based on scale, I don't think there is enough of a difference between Rebels A-Wings and OT A-Wings to show up in Armada (although, adding Escort and maybe dropping the speed to 4 in order to make a unique Phoenix Squadron would certainly be cool).

I haven't watched any of Season 3 of Rebels but I am very enamored with the first two seasons. I just think it being a weekly show even at only 1/2 hour episodes still provides much more content for all of the Star Wars games than do the once a year films. I also tend to agree that "you've got to get them young" and basing "intro" style products for IA, X-wing, and Armada around it would be good marketing.

I just see squadrons as being a good place to bring in "new" things given all of the keywords that shouldn't "break" anything and can be made very flavorful to show based scenarios.

I think they are (and should) wait for episode VIII and possibly also IX for a bigger variety of ships, we only had one capital ship for now, and it's very unlikely that there will be no major space battles during the trilogy, so they are waiting for New Republic ships and a at least one more FO

4 hours ago, GilmoreDK said:

It would be a shame IMHO.. It might happen if we see any Resistance capital ships in The Last Jedi.. But the timelines are way of.. It annoys me in X-wing.. and it would annoy me here.. Vader and Kylo Ren in the same fleet? .. how about: NO!

But as stated above we still have the Hammerhead, MC75 and Brahatok Gunship flotilla from Rogue One in the pipe (I assume) along with some imperial ship - Quasar Fire-class Carrier being the obvious one of for a medium ship as it is in the canon. As fo the Venator im am not so sure.. wouldnt it be another old sluggish wedge shaped thingie on a medium base- the VSD fills that niche just fine.

I'd much rather have my clone wars stuff. Yeah. Makes no sense to allow Kylo and Vader together, when people scream about Clone Wars and Civil War still.

(Psst. is it technically the clone wars? or clone war?

3 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

I'd much rather have my clone wars stuff. Yeah. Makes no sense to allow Kylo and Vader together, when people scream about Clone Wars and Civil War still.

(Psst. is it technically the clone wars? or clone war?

Although we can put Ashoka and Luke together now, and that also seems wrong. Not as wrong as the above example, but still off.

1 minute ago, Madaghmire said:

Although we can put Ashoka and Luke together now, and that also seems wrong. Not as wrong as the above example, but still off.

Yeah. Really off. There's still Corran and biggs.

Just now, Blail Blerg said:

Yeah. Really off. There's still Corran and biggs.

After I posted I was like "oh yeah and wtf about ewings and those dead guys from a new hope..."

3 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

After I posted I was like "oh yeah and wtf about ewings and those dead guys from a new hope..."

Ewwww. Zombies.

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I always thought the FFG thing of making the main characters a big deal was weird. Even just Biggs + Bwings from ROTJ. Besides, I liked the idea of making my characters and commanders for xwing and armada. I wrote story driven campaigns for that. It was super fun.

My things would emphasize generics, and generics could learn pilot abilities (think ace squads or ship titles) when they got to a certain skill) from the ship they were from. So everything was FFG based, with no real need to add extra cards or abilities, which would be subject to review and bias of me and the group.