I championed Bobatanni as a competitor for Asajj as much as I could, but that stress was far more toolbox-y, and the swivel arc was a big deal too - Bobas a bit more predictable about where he wants to put you.
The rerolls were *very* sweet though. He was about as tough as Asajj, even tougher in some matchups.
2 hours ago, Sithborg said:This is the point where the Restricted List really should be used.
Toss Atanni, Manaroo, Palpatine, R2-D2, Engine Upgrade, PTL, and /X7 on there and probably a few more, and then see what happens. I really do wish that they would use the Restricted list more than usage of errata.
Attanni should've been a Unique where you reveal and place a 2nd on another ship during Setup. You still got a Mindlink but cannot have more than 2. (which is how it works in the universe, unless they're telling me Manaroo's race is polygamous)
23 minutes ago, spacelion said:Attanni should've been a Unique where you reveal and place a 2nd on another ship during Setup. You still got a Mindlink but cannot have more than 2. (which is how it works in the universe, unless they're telling me Manaroo's race is polygamous)
Yeah it would work as a Condition card very well.
The large amount of greens on the JM5K, lancer pursuit craft , and protectorate star fighter also helps alot when flying mindlink. To a large extent they are also the "right" green manouvers e.g. including hard turns.
41 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:I championed Bobatanni as a competitor for Asajj as much as I could, but that stress was far more toolbox-y, and the swivel arc was a big deal too - Bobas a bit more predictable about where he wants to put you.
The rerolls were *very* sweet though. He was about as tough as Asajj, even tougher in some matchups.
I believe there is some highly competitive Mindlink lists out there, able to win tournaments. Including Bobattanni, Fangaroo (Oldfennaro) etc.
Bobattanni is even better against Defenders, but Defenders are countered by bombs so no need to side against them more.
I think those other Mindlink lists are properly balanced, but Paratanni is slightly overpowered like by 10%.
As @Kdubb (if I recall properly) once said: it's a list we all feel all components shouldn't fit, but they do, making a small monster. +1 pts on anything (on Latts, on Asajj, on Fenn etc) would be fix enough to put it in the line.
Edited by OldparaWe've not even seen Aggressattani yet, which isn't as strong overall as it's only got one arc, but can be teched against the metagame a bit more.
The Mindlink/Manaroo combination can be plugged into a number of big tanky ships.
51 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:Yeah it would work as a Condition card very well.
Do you really want Fenn Rau or Assajj with PtL AND Mindlink?
16 minutes ago, LordBlades said:Do you really want Fenn Rau or Assajj with PtL AND Mindlink?
An excellent point, well made.
38 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:An excellent point, well made.
Can be avoided by restricting the condition to ships that don't have an Elite upgrade equiped.
6 hours ago, CRCL said:I always felt the Jumpmaster expansion was the cause of a lot of problems with the scum factions balance. Not only are all the Jumpmasters stupidly undercosted, but Manaroo and Dengar (to a lesser degree) have incredible pilot abilities. Add to that the White S-loop (plus the rest of the dial), the plethora of excellent upgrade slots, and the big-base PWT with a barrel-roll, and you have a truly obnoxious ship.
And to add insult to injury, all this comes with a design that looks like a toilet seat and flown by one of the dumbest characters in all the Star Wars films. I mean - Dengar. Come on.
I have no idea why the Punishing One expansion was so well received. The whole package has very few redeeming qualities.
14 minutes ago, Verlaine said:And to add insult to injury, all this comes with a design that looks like a toilet seat and flown by one of the dumbest characters in all the Star Wars films. I mean - Dengar. Come on.
I have no idea why the Punishing One expansion was so well received. The whole package has very few redeeming qualities.
I, too, think all ships should be as bad as the Wild Space Fringer.
Just now, Panzeh said:I, too, think all ships should be as bad as the Wild Space Fringer.
It would be nice if the dorkiest ships and bounty hunters would also be given the cards and abilities with the highest amount of suck. If the mission is to avoid seeing U-Wings, Firesprays and Interceptors on the table...well, mission accomplished.
Just now, Verlaine said:It would be nice if the dorkiest ships and bounty hunters would also be given the cards and abilities with the highest amount of suck. If the mission is to avoid seeing U-Wings, Firesprays and Interceptors on the table...well, mission accomplished.
Well, to do that, X-wing would have had to start with the dorkiest ships first and then they would suck because of FFG's really bad valuation of ships at that time.
Also all TIEs look like absolute trash, even the normal tie fighter.
15 minutes ago, Panzeh said:I, too, think all ships should be as bad as the Wild Space Fringer.
10 minutes ago, Panzeh said:
Also all TIEs look like absolute trash, even the normal tie fighter.
1 hour ago, Verlaine said:And to add insult to injury, all this comes with a design that looks like a toilet seat and flown by one of the dumbest characters in all the Star Wars films. I mean - Dengar. Come on.
I have no idea why the Punishing One expansion was so well received. The whole package has very few redeeming qualities.
Because power level apart it is a great design. A PWT that cares about arc a lot and has many different ways to be played. Ordnance platform, support, centerpiece - all possible and fun. Had the expansion accomplished this at a reasonable power level it would be the greatest one no questions (well, the ship is no beauty, but what can you do). The power level issues just needed a few months to bubble up one after another, until the whole picture looked rather grim.
44 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:
41 minutes ago, Admiral Deathrain said:Because power level apart it is a great design. A PWT that cares about arc a lot and has many different ways to be played. Ordnance platform, support, centerpiece - all possible and fun. Had the expansion accomplished this at a reasonable power level it would be the greatest one no questions (well, the ship is no beauty, but what can you do). The power level issues just needed a few months to bubble up one after another, until the whole picture looked rather grim.
Sounds like the VCX. Maybe Kanan slightly pushes the boundary of 'reasonable power level' but otherwise it checks your boxes.
In part is it because Paratanni requires more thought to fly well than Dengaroo, which essentially consists of "fly Dengar at things/around things until they are dead... repeat as required, while Manaroo drives round the edge of the board". I realize this is a bit of a simplification but generally people have complained about lists either because they were insanely powerful or they were powerful but very easy to fly, enabling them to dominate in unusual circumstances. Palp Defenders are now getting flack because they are a powerful list since the addition of the X7 title. Before X7 they rarely got a look even though offensively they were as powerful.
30 minutes ago, Verlaine said:Sounds like the VCX. Maybe Kanan slightly pushes the boundary of 'reasonable power level' but otherwise it checks your boxes.
That is one of my favourite expansions, yes. The only thing that bothers me a bit is Hera as VCX pilot and how little merit there is to her, but you can't have everything and its just the nature of high hitpoint low mitigation ships to lose value at growing point levels. Everything else? Chopper ramming ABT madness? Check. Kanan as tank? Check. Cheap 4 dice platform with some crew opportunities? Check. You can even justify putting points into docked shuttles as mov bank (I have good experiences with Lone Wolf Sabine as safe points that can also clean up a game that went wrong). It is the only "rebel freighter" type expansion that I really like.
There's an interesting tournament report from Yavin just gone up on Facebook. One of the players who made Top-8 with Paratanni was playing his 5th ever X-Wing tournament and made it through the swiss barely losing a ship (he lost 10 ships in 9 rounds, including his two defeats). I'm sure he played very well, but that's quite a testament to what the power of Paratanni can do for a player's results.
18 minutes ago, Admiral Deathrain said:”That is one of my favourite expansions, yes. The only thing that bothers me a bit is Hera as VCX pilot and how little merit there is to her,"
She just took second at Yavin.
3 minutes ago, SylinRhyas said:She just took second at Yavin.
Yeah, I like Hera a lot even in casual play. I was pleased to see her find a competitive build because her pilot ability is certainly powerful enough to warrant it.
Thats great to hear, I have to have a look at that list!
9 minutes ago, Admiral Deathrain said:Thats great to hear, I have to have a look at that list!
http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=2627
The clue to the list is that the 0 Agility Ghost has C-3PO. It spends all it's time at range 3 f the opponent chipping away with TLT, using the Hera/Navigator combination to change direction at will and Ahsoka's ability to feed the Ghost a boost action at the start of combat to maintain the range. It doesn't want to engage all your ships at once, it want's to run away and keep just one of them at the edge of range 3, then TLT it 4 times a turn with Accuracy Corrector.
One way to think of it is as "Super Dash: Turbo Edition", like... what would happen if you could spend 100pts on just playing a supercharged Dash Rendar?
Edited by Stay On The Leader