Two quick questions on Thanes ability (After an enemy ship inside your firing arc at Range 1-3 attacks another friendly ship, you may perform a free action).

1) Does his free action take place once the enemy attack is fully resolved (i.e after alle dice has been thrown by the attacker and defender and damage (if any) has been taken) or after the enemy throws his attack dice.

2) If several enemies in Thanes arc attacks another ship does he get to do a free action per attack (assuming he can do different actions each time due to upgarde cards)?

Thanks

1) Yes. The 'after' part means after the triggering event has completed.

2) Yes. Thane can use his ability once each opportunity – once per attack made in his arc against a friendly ship – but he must obey the 'once per turn' limitation on performing actions.

Thanks. Much appreicated!

No it is not after everything. The attack chart clearly state where after attack effect trigger. This is an after attack like any other after attack effect like Fire Control System.

It is between the resolve of all dice effect and before removing destroyed ship.

Yup. It's a non-attack thing that happens after an attack is resolved, so it goes off in the same window as FCS, i.e. after the attack is done but before any follow-up attacks e.g. Gunner.

1 hour ago, muribundi said:

No it is not after everything. The attack chart clearly state where after attack effect trigger. This is an after attack like any other after attack effect like Fire Control System.

It is between the resolve of all dice effect and before removing destroyed ship.

You're saying no, but you're not actually contradicting my answer. The attack is resolved at the point the ability triggers. Removing a ship may something that happens in the sequence of events triggered by an attack, but it is not part of an attack. I think you're impeding clarity by muddying the issue unnecessarily.

26 minutes ago, InquisitorM said:

You're saying no, but you're not actually contradicting my answer. The attack is resolved at the point the ability triggers. Removing a ship may something that happens in the sequence of events triggered by an attack, but it is not part of an attack. I think you're impeding clarity by muddying the issue unnecessarily.

They are being very specific. If you look at the flow chart on page 7 of the latest FAQ, there's a specific section dealing with events that trigger "after attacking". This happens in Steps 8 and 9. The attack sequence isn't necessarily resolved (over) at the point the ability triggers as you stated. There are 10 steps in the attack sequence with some having multiple sub-steps. Thane's ability is one of the "non-attack" abilities that happens in step 8.

As the game becomes more involved, it's necessary to follow the prescribed sequences otherwise you'll trigger too early or miss your trigger altogether.

Hope this helps.

11 minutes ago, Stoneface said:

They are being very specific. If you look at the flow chart on page 7 of the latest FAQ, there's a specific section dealing with events that trigger "after attacking". This happens in Steps 8 and 9. The attack sequence isn't necessarily resolved (over) at the point the ability triggers as you stated. There are 10 steps in the attack sequence with some having multiple sub-steps. Thane's ability is one of the "non-attack" abilities that happens in step 8.

As the game becomes more involved, it's necessary to follow the prescribed sequences otherwise you'll trigger too early or miss your trigger altogether.

Hope this helps.

I am well aware of all of this. However, what you are suggesting is that 'after attacking' triggers happen during an attack, not after an attack. I hope it is not lost on you that this way of explaining things is patently absurd. The attack is over when you do steps 8 through 10. That's exactly why steps 8-10 are where they are.

The very specificity you refer to is exactly why you're wrong. 'An attack' and 'the attack sequence' are not synonymous.

Thane triggers after the attack is resolved, which is step 8 of the attack sequence (for an effect that doesn't generate an attack), but before the attack sequence is ended.

1 hour ago, InquisitorM said:

I am well aware of all of this. However, what you are suggesting is that 'after attacking' triggers happen during an attack, not after an attack. I hope it is not lost on you that this way of explaining things is patently absurd. The attack is over when you do steps 8 through 10. That's exactly why steps 8-10 are where they are.

The very specificity you refer to is exactly why you're wrong. 'An attack' and 'the attack sequence' are not synonymous.

Thane triggers after the attack is resolved, which is step 8 of the attack sequence (for an effect that doesn't generate an attack), but before the attack sequence is ended.

I think we're dealing with a matter of semantics.

Agreeing with @InquisitorM , Just because you are still in the "Timing chart for Performing and Attack" by the time you get to set 8, Does not mean you are still performing the attack. The attack is well done and over, now you are concerned with what happens "after" that attack, which the chart has steps for.