Man...I gotta say watching this a second time around ALMOST.....ALMOST.....ALMOST.....ALMOST makes me wanna say it was better than Empire.

Yet I found myself closely watching the space battle scene more because naturally, I wanna let my head swirl with ideas.

Towards the end, when they get the plans...you literally see the gunships escorting the MC75 swooping in with guns blazing...now I outright am gonna call it that they are gonna be a anti-fighter flotilla...which would be really cool to add (and allows us to throw in the Tartan or Carrack for the imps.

Now I'm sitting here looking at the MC75...and I'm not not sure how we're gonna play this one. I mean it can take a beating...Assault Frigate like shielding, but I'm wondering how the guns are gonna be set up, and if it's going to have a decent fighter count at all? Raddus? I mean a squadron commander that works mainly with squadrons...not squadrons turning gun dice into X *cough* sato *cough* is kinda needed right now...ramming...eh...yeah no I played a guy who did that with Reiken (sp?) and CR90's and I wanted to beat him half to death with a chair after the 5th ram....

I do think boarding parties could be fun....I mean when Vader says "prepare a boarding party" you know it's about to get real.

Am I the only star wars nerd that didn't love Rogue (Rouge) One to an all caps/large font level?

I mean it was good and I'd very much like to see it again. But when your reaction to seeing the two leads of the movie die is "Huh. I didn't expect Disney to do that" and not "oh no, I'm going to miss those characters", then you're script, acting, and/or direction have serious problems.

Zero chemistry between main characters and counting a "we're about to die" hug as the only character development is a huge problem. When your comic relief is more compelling than your main characters, you've got a problem.

It felt like they started the movie with a gimmick (CG Tarkin) and then wrote a fan fiction script around it. Then right before production they realized they didn't have any main characters so they threw a couple in at the last minute and they just kind of just...happened to be around while they explained plot holes in episode IV.

Basically a bunch of really cool scenes strung together by a poorly written and executed script.

Objectively speaking 6/10, but I'll give it a 7 because it's star wars.

I'm not sure you watched the same movie we did. R1 had bad character development between the mains? No it didn't. Their relationship evolved quite a bit.

CGI Tarkin was horrible, no question. Those responsible should be fed to the rancor. But otherwise it was a great movie. And great Star Wars.

Looking forward to Rogue Two ?

i saw empire twice. it was really good up until cloud city. and then imo, it was really bad. Han Leia scene was decent. Saber fight? geh. Lighting? iconic, but murky. Dialogue? NOOOOOOOOO

"No romance" between leads isn't the same as "no chemistry" between them. I wish Hollywood would learn that.

The cast of Rogue One did not have the luxury of splitting character development across three movies, so they did the best they could with the time given.

You got to remember, the impact of Empire comes after an entire previous movie of getting to know who these characters were and care for them. Luke finding out Vader is his dad makes sense only after we've seen Luke idolize the memory of his father and follow his dad's former teacher to learn the magic power. The reveal of vader's identity turns all of that on it's head, and it's only because we care with Luke about the memory of his dad in ANH that this reveal has any significance. Otherwise it's, "So what? He's your dad, why not join him and be powerful in the empire? It's not like the Empire blew up planets or killed babies, if we're judging thier relaitonship just on this one movie."

Rogue One did the best it could without the benefit of padding it out. In that movie they had to show us why Jyn's connection to her father and her conviction to make it happen without an entire film to set it up, all while trying to pump an epic movie filled with action and nostalgic callbacks. Rogue One may not be the most elegant of films, but I would call it tight and successful because it hit all the strings it needed to. It's a great action flick with a lot of goodies for the fans. Overall, Rogue One also proved that you can tell a Star Wars story without trailing along the same Skywalker lineage plotline that has defined the series up until now. We can have Star Wars without Jedi.

And I think that means Star Wars has a bright future, because it won't suffer the same problems the Marvel Movies are starting to with a winding backstory that can lose people trying to catch up on every thread.

1 hour ago, Green Knight said:

Looking forward to Rogue Two ?

We'll have to wait till 1977 for the sequel BUT George Lucas will be directing it!!!

Rogue One did one major thing for me...

It was better than Force Awakens. To me, FA was such a recycled piece that let me down. If RO was the same underwhelming experience, I'd seriously question the future the IP had with Disney. Now hopefully this means The Last Jedi improves over FA.

FWIW, I saw it the first time in 3D and Tarkin looked soft focus and cartoony.

Saw it the second time in 2D: wow what a difference. The skin textures were much more believable and it looked *much* more like a real person. The eyes still look a little dead, as they seem to with CGI characters, but overall I had a much better appreciation of what they achievex and I didn't feel it stuck out like a proverbial sore thumb.

3 minutes ago, Stasy said:

Rogue One did one major thing for me...

It was better than Force Awakens. To me, FA was such a recycled piece that let me down. If RO was the same underwhelming experience, I'd seriously question the future the IP had with Disney. Now hopefully this means The Last Jedi improves over FA.

I'm also of this feeling. I can't help but not feel excited for Episode V version 2, but Rogue One gives me a little hope that it won't be quite so bad.

I've. Seen Rogue One five times in 3D. Waiting for the Blueray to see it in 2D.

Loved it each time.

The best thing about R1 is after every viewing I had a craving to play Armada.

Yes it's not a perfect movie but it scratched an itch I've have for almost 40 years and if there's not another good Star Wars movie from here on I have closure.

At least it wasn't Ep 4 Ver. 2 (i.e. Ep7).

1 hour ago, ManInTheBox said:

FWIW, I saw it the first time in 3D and Tarkin looked soft focus and cartoons.

The eyes still look a little dead

Tarkin should have dead eyes. He breaks a populated planet into asteroids without flinching.

5 hours ago, Sekac said:

Am I the only star wars nerd that didn't love Rogue (Rouge) One to an all caps/large font level?

I mean it was good and I'd very much like to see it again. But when your reaction to seeing the two leads of the movie die is "Huh. I didn't expect Disney to do that" and not "oh no, I'm going to miss those characters", then you're script, acting, and/or direction have serious problems.

Zero chemistry between main characters and counting a "we're about to die" hug as the only character development is a huge problem. When your comic relief is more compelling than your main characters, you've got a problem.

It felt like they started the movie with a gimmick (CG Tarkin) and then wrote a fan fiction script around it. Then right before production they realized they didn't have any main characters so they threw a couple in at the last minute and they just kind of just...happened to be around while they explained plot holes in episode IV.

Basically a bunch of really cool scenes strung together by a poorly written and executed script.

Objectively speaking 6/10, but I'll give it a 7 because it's star wars.

Nope, I felt the same way. Loved some of the visuals, but overall felt the movie was only ehhh.

Honestly, I think the best non original three Star Wars thing to be done since Jedi is actually Rebels. I know that sounds crazy, but...

It's so interesting that people were so hyped about TFA. It's legendary, the bets Star Wars movie etc. And later people started to realize that it's very-very far from being that good. I think it will be the same with Rogue One. Sure, the bttle at the end was awesome and the return of Tarkin, Vader, Dutch, Gaven Dreis, Dodonna and Bail Organa was like being a child again, but otherwise it's a rather mediocre movie with one-dimensional characters, very stupid dialogues and often illogical events.

I still think TFA was a great movie.

Not very original, but characters, locations, action etc was all very good.

Rogue One was better, I think, but I still enjoy TFA.

But then again I think RotS is a pretty great movie, so I may not be trustworthy.

My main issue with TFA was the spherical super death weapon (Death Star 3) If it was a ship, or a non-spherical station then my opinion of the movie would be much higher. Also, I can never unsee the ultimate cheese scene of:

"this was the Death Star"

*hologram appears*

"and this is star killer base"

*much bigger hologram appears*

2 hours ago, Lord Ashram said:

Nope, I felt the same way. Loved some of the visuals, but overall felt the movie was only ehhh.

Honestly, I think the best non original three Star Wars thing to be done since Jedi is actually Rebels. I know that sounds crazy, but...

This.

Currently half way through watching the second season of Rebels and it's everything I thought Rogue One was going to be... The Rebels Tarkin looks more realistic than the Rogue One version too!

It is easily better than Episode 7: A New Hope Reskinned.

1 hour ago, Green Knight said:

I still think TFA was a great movie.

Not very original, but characters, locations, action etc was all very good.

Rogue One was better, I think, but I still enjoy TFA.

But then again I think RotS is a pretty great movie, so I may not be trustworthy.

The TFA was able to capture something unique and enjoyable that we've never seen before (to my recollection). That is, the dichotomy between aerial and ground combat when the gang travels to that naboo-like planet to visit the orange alien with goggles whose name noone remembers.

Also the lightsaber fights were grittier, unlike the dances in the prequels.

Maz Something. Tanka? Tanaka? Don't remember.

18 minutes ago, Warlord Zepnick said:

the orange alien with goggles whose name noone remembers.

3 minutes ago, Green Knight said:

Maz Something. Tanka? Tanaka? Don't remember.

Maz Kanata, I remember it, now I doubt even more that I have a life

8 hours ago, Sekac said:

Am I the only star wars nerd that didn't love Rogue (Rouge) One to an all caps/large font level?

I mean it was good and I'd very much like to see it again. But when your reaction to seeing the two leads of the movie die is "Huh. I didn't expect Disney to do that" and not "oh no, I'm going to miss those characters", then you're script, acting, and/or direction have serious problems.

Zero chemistry between main characters and counting a "we're about to die" hug as the only character development is a huge problem. When your comic relief is more compelling than your main characters, you've got a problem.

It felt like they started the movie with a gimmick (CG Tarkin) and then wrote a fan fiction script around it. Then right before production they realized they didn't have any main characters so they threw a couple in at the last minute and they just kind of just...happened to be around while they explained plot holes in episode IV.

Basically a bunch of really cool scenes strung together by a poorly written and executed script.

Objectively speaking 6/10, but I'll give it a 7 because it's star wars.

Nope, you're not alone.

I liked Rogue One, but didn't think it was that good. Lot of things that bugged me. Entertaining, but no soul.

I also think that TFA gets better and better each time I watch it. It's now my second favorite Star Wars movie right after the Empire Strike Back.

To each their own.

24 minutes ago, Warlord Zepnick said:

The TFA was able to capture something unique and enjoyable that we've never seen before (to my recollection). That is, the dichotomy between aerial and ground combat when the gang travels to that naboo-like planet to visit the orange alien with goggles whose name noone remembers.

Also the lightsaber fights were grittier, unlike the dances in the prequels.

It's Maz Kanata and the name of the planet is Takodana.

2 hours ago, Green Knight said:

I still think TFA was a great movie.

Not very original, but characters, locations, action etc was all very good.

Rogue One was better, I think, but I still enjoy TFA.

But then again I think RotS is a pretty great movie, so I may not be trustworthy.

I'm on the RotS being a good movie train. I also think watching the Clone Wars series helps build some of the backstory and makes it even better in retrospect.

TFA was objectively not a great movie, even by my 'I love Star Wars so I go easy on it standards.

Waayyy to derivative of Ep4, villain was a winy emo boy with no presence and I'm saddened they could come up with a better evil super weapon than a super-duper Death Star.

R1 was miles better, a bit slow in places. I thought Tarkin was mostly ok & looked a lot better than leia.