So the German translation for Ep8 title was just released an BAM! It's plural!

So we have "Die Letzten Jedi" which is the same as the last Jedi, but in plural. Since this title is officially sanctioned by the Story Group, what do you make of this?

The most obvious is of course, that Rey will be trained as a Jedi.

21 minutes ago, TheMOELANDER said:

So we have "Die Letzten Jedi" which is the same as the last Jedi, but in plural. Since this title is officially sanctioned by the Story Group, what do you make of this?

In English, Jedi is the plural of itself, so there is no inconsistency between the two languages.

Just now, ShadoWarrior said:

In English, Jedi is the plural of itself, so there is no inconsistency between the two languages.

I know, that is not my point. Up until now we didn't really know if the title was meant to be plural. Jedi is also the plural in german in itself, the breaking point is the adjective "letzten" and the article "Die" which both are plural. Before we thought it was singular and thus to represent Luke as the Last Jedi. But now we know there's at least one more.

1 minute ago, ShadoWarrior said:

In English, Jedi is the plural of itself, so there is no inconsistency between the two languages.

True, but the english title is ambiguous. The german one is not.

2 minutes ago, RicoD said:

True, but the english title is ambiguous . The german one is not.

Ambiguous! That's the word I was missing! Thanks

German, as a language, is far less prone to ambiguity than English.

1 minute ago, ShadoWarrior said:

German, as a language, is far less prone to ambiguity than English.

True. And that's why most of our word-play sucks.

Yeah. It's a very descriptive but also beautiful language.

Anyway. With that out of the way, the title does take Luke a bit more out of the focus than some may have previously assumed.

It also defuses the Red Flag of Lukes potential death to a certain degree.

Just now, RicoD said:

Anyway. With that out of the way, the title does take Luke a bit more out of the focus than some may have previously assumed.

It also defuses the Red Flag of Lukes potential death to a certain degree.

I agree. Now it's more vague. Maybe there's even a Jedi from Rebels still alive. It's a far stretch, but the Rebels allusions in Rogue One kinda made me hopeful.

Given the time gap between Rogue One/ANH and TFA/TLJ, and the apparent desperation of Leia and the Resistance in seeking out Luke, I highly doubt that any pre-ANH Jedi survived (or even any Jedi trained by or known to Luke). Lucas and company have always gone for relatively straightforward plots. Having "excess" Jedi floating in the wings of the stage just needlessly adds complications. They'd have to explain who they are, where they've been, and why they haven't been active. Hand-waving a "they've been busy fighting elsewhere" just won't cut it with fans.

I've been wondering about that.

I still have to catch up on the latest season, but I would assume that Kanan and Ezra either die or are otherwise permanently pre-occupied before the events of A New Hope unravel.

If two Jedi were still active in the Rebellion at that time Luke could have learned from them, or at least formed a study group or something.

Three. Let's not forget Ahsoka, who knows even more about the Force than Kanan. Having any of the Jedi from Rebels survive to R1/ANH is just ... messy.

21 minutes ago, ShadoWarrior said:

Three. Let's not forget Ahsoka, who knows even more about the Force than Kanan. Having any of the Jedi from Rebels survive to R1/ANH is just ... messy.

I don't think you have to worry about Ahsoka. Her story is very much concluded.

7 minutes ago, kaosoe said:

I don't think you have to worry about Ahsoka. Her story is very much concluded.

Don't be so sure about that. From the canon wiki: " Although Vader managed to survive and leave the Temple, Tano's fate remained ambiguous. " Wiki does not list a date of death for her. They've left matters deliberately unsettled to allow the Rebel writers to use her again should they wish to do so. Granted, it's strongly implied that she perished, if for no other reason than it's hard to believe that Vader would leave the planet while she still lived. Even if she was someplace sealed off from him so that he couldn't reach her, he'd be likely to order a BDZ to assure she stayed buried. But the Star Wars cartoon writers have a disturbing tendency to keep raising characters from the "dead".

It's been explicitly stated that she won't show up in Rebels again, by Filoni himself.

Of course, that just means she won't show up in Rebels , but still.

29 minutes ago, Tom Cruise said:

It's been explicitly stated that she won't show up in Rebels again, by Filoni himself.

Of course, that just means she won't show up in Rebels , but still.

I'll believe him when Rebels airs its series finale episode and she hasn't surfaced. Until then I don't trust anyone working for LA to keep their word on anything.

I think Rey will be trained to be a Jedi and so she and Luke will be the last Jedi... maybe ;-)

What really needs to happen is giving us an explanation for why Leia does not appear to have been trained by Luke. We know that she is Force-sensitive because Yoda said so in ESB, and Luke confirms it when he speaks to his sister on Endor (the night before he surrenders himself to Vader).

1 hour ago, ShadoWarrior said:

In English, Jedi is the plural of itself, so there is no inconsistency between the two languages.

The point is that the german title rules out the singular, while the english would have allowed for Luke being the last jedi, while Rey (Jade?) and Ben Solo become something new, something different and something better.

But, as force ghosts are a thing, this is not ruled out by the german title either, Luke, Anakin, Yoda and Obi Wan still can be the last jedi, while Rey might follow the tradition of Tython, the Je'daii or Bendu way and abandoning the jedi way. Grey is the new big thing in all Disney publication, from the Bendu, Knights of Ren, Kylo Ren's combined light and dark sides, Tython is back in canon too. Can you imagine it, Tython, the planet which requires you to walk thelight and the dark or you will create freaking, devastating force storms is back in canon. As potential origin of the jedi tradition noless

There has been speculation going on that Anakin will answer Kylo Ren's call, and not in a way that little brat wanted. It would suit the Saga rather well even, as Anakin is still the one who brings balance to the force and Ben Solo is clearly not in balance nor is the rest of the universe.

3 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

There has been speculation going on that Anakin will answer Kylo Ren's call, and not in a way that little brat wanted. It would suit the Saga rather well even, as Anakin is still the one who brings balance to the force and Ben Solo is clearly not in balance nor is the rest of the universe.

Anakin answering Ben would be cool. But I hold little expectation of seeing that. Also, Anakin did bring "balance" back to the Force. He did so when he was "redeemed" and ended the life of Palaptine (as if one act at the end of his life could atone for all the horror he was responsible for). Both Sith lords dead = Force in balance. Or so we're expected to believe. How having no Dark Side force masters is considered "balanced" is a different discussion. OTOH, a galaxy with no remaining Dark Side adepts and only a partially-trained Jedi on the Light Side is about as close to "balanced" as the galaxy can get, short of Luke (and Leia) dying.

I always thought he brought balance by killing most of the Jedi, so the few remaining balanced the few remaining Sith !

@Darzil Yeah, that is part of the fun with the prophecy. Furthermore he did bring balance to the force by ******* up on Mortis too, when he is leaving the father, the son and the daughter are all dead. Balance achieved. In Anakin's achievement list for balance for the universe this actually ranks a lot higher than throwing the old man over that handrail.

@ShadoWarrior Are you not a little unfair to little Ani there? He served the light decades before his fall to the darkside, saved literally trillions of lives before he became the dark lord and without joining the Sith he never would had even a shot at defeating Palpatine because the bloke was really killing it in Combat. Killing three grand masters in one go, and stalling exactly long enough to make look Windu like the villain when Anakin finally arrived in the chancellor's office. With order 66 going as planned Anakin never even had a chance to correct his mistake until that moment in the throne room of the second Death Star.

1 hour ago, ShadoWarrior said:

What really needs to happen is giving us an explanation for why Leia does not appear to have been trained by Luke. We know that she is Force-sensitive because Yoda said so in ESB, and Luke confirms it when he speaks to his sister on Endor (the night before he surrenders himself to Vader).

Unless Leia and Luke were originally meant to be the last Jedi together....

3 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Are you not a little unfair to little Ani there? He served the light decades before his fall to the darkside, saved literally trillions of lives before he became the dark lord and without joining the Sith he never would had even a shot at defeating Palpatine because the bloke was really killing it in Combat. Killing three grand masters in one go, and stalling exactly long enough to make look Windu like the villain when Anakin finally arrived in the chancellor's office. With order 66 going as planned Anakin never even had a chance to correct his mistake until that moment in the throne room of the second Death Star.

Oh, you mean the obnoxious, arrogant, surly brat in AotC who is already well on the way to the Dark Side?

BTW, there was only one grandmaster: Yoda. All the rest, including Windu, were "mere" masters. And that scene in Palpatine's chamber was scripted for a destined result. It is very difficult to believe that the Jedi Order's best lightsaber wielder, along with 3 other High Council masters, wouldn't be able to defeat one Sith Lord. OTOH, that same Sith Lord did manage to defeat Yoda in single combat, and given Yoda's strength in the Force and centuries of knowledge, that says something about just how powerful that "old man" was, explaining how Sidious was able to win against 4:1 odds versus the Jedi Council masters.

"Correct his mistake"? Seriously, "c orrect his mistake "? There was no "mistake" when he murdered Jedi younglings in the Temple. Order 66 is not an excuse, and murdering hundreds ostensibly to save his wife (and kids) is no valid justification.