1 hour ago, Desslok said:Catering to the fans is a sure way to run your show/movie/franchise into the ground. For a while there, Star Trek was becoming increasingly insular and self-referential, catering to the nerds instead of the general viewership.
From the moment it aired, I've described the Enterprise series finale as a perfect demonstration of what Trek had become by that point: an aging fanboy in a replica costume, watching a rerun while composing a Mary Sue fanfic.
Running the asylum is pretty much an unavoidable situation that has hit Star Wars storytelling right now -- most everyone working on it on nearly every rung of the latter is probably some degree of Star Wars fan. Anybody who doesn't like Star Wars isn't probably going to agree to work on it, and there's probably nobody available who can claim to have a neutral opinion on it that would also be willing to work on it. Ideally, they need someone taking the reins that:
So, short of resorting to alchemy, I don't really see how they'll every find someone.
4 hours ago, Blackbird888 said:Running the asylum is pretty much an unavoidable situation that has hit Star Wars storytelling right now -- most everyone working on it on nearly every rung of the latter is probably some degree of Star Wars fan. Anybody who doesn't like Star Wars isn't probably going to agree to work on it, and there's probably nobody available who can claim to have a neutral opinion on it that would also be willing to work on it. Ideally, they need someone taking the reins that:
- is interested in telling and building a good story over anything else;
- is willing to accept points and ideas from capable advisors, who may be the hard core fans;
- and is actually good at writing and telling a story.
So, short of resorting to alchemy, I don't really see how they'll every find someone.
Never say never.
Going back to Trek...
Nicholas Meyer, director of II and VI, and co-writer of IV, wasn't even a casual fan, and his personal philosophy of the future was the polar opposite of what had been established for Trek.
He made what is nigh-universally considered to be the best Trek movie, period.
It may be a long shot to find Star Wars' Nicholas Meyer, but it's not unthinkable.
(Back in college, researched the production of II and VI for a paper in my science fiction films class, comparing and contrasting the two. The information on how Meyer's outsider status helped him in the making of them was quite interesting.)
Edited by Nytwyng7 hours ago, Blackbird888 said:Running the asylum is pretty much an unavoidable situation that has hit Star Wars storytelling right now -- most everyone working on it on nearly every rung of the latter is probably some degree of Star Wars fan. Anybody who doesn't like Star Wars isn't probably going to agree to work on it, and there's probably nobody available who can claim to have a neutral opinion on it that would also be willing to work on it. Ideally, they need someone taking the reins that:
- is interested in telling and building a good story over anything else;
- is willing to accept points and ideas from capable advisors, who may be the hard core fans;
- and is actually good at writing and telling a story.
So, short of resorting to alchemy, I don't really see how they'll every find someone.
Ahem....That would be me.
7 hours ago, Vestij Jai Galaar said:Ahem....That would be me.
What, are you the alchemist?
I'm a dragon. Therefore you can presume that I know a great deal, alchemy included. 
Since we're in wonderland at the moment... These would be my edits to the SW timeline as a whole.
All that being said, there is much I would re-write. I will try to keeps era's together. Also, as a general rule, I would divide all old republic stuff by 10 and add 1000 years. Darth Bane happened around 1100 BBY. Revan was 1400 BBY. Dawn of the Jedi, I would make 2500 BBY (no I would not add the 1000 years in this case). ECT. I would change some minor stuff but nothing major past that as far as the timeframe is concerned. (This will also explain why no major technological advancements occur.) It's a thousand years of peace and stagnation for the republic between Darth Bane and The Clone Wars.
Dawn of the Jedi is a gem in my opinion, however there are some things that need to be changed. I would change some minor things and give it a full run. (Add things like: how the forcesaber became the lightsaber. How the original Dark Jedi were banished. Potentially the messy founding of the Republic. The fall of the Infinite Empire and the Rakatan species into obscurity. How the Bendu became the Jedi. The founding of the many academys across the galaxy.) After all that, I would do a complete overhaul of the Tales of the Jedi. Many of the stories would remain the same in principle just with a new timeframe associated with it, a new paint job, or from a different perspective.
Knights of the Old Republic comics and games get synced with the new Canon from TotJ with some stories getting totally overhauled. I believe Mandalore the Ultimate should have a forcesaber from the Sith Emperor who trained him and make the Darksaber. There should be a show (that kids will enjoy, but for adults) that spans the Mandalorian invasion, to Revan's fall and invasion, to Revan's redemption, to Revan's Crusade (Revan should be able to convince Grand Master Bastila Shan of the impending true Sith's invasion and prepare the Galaxy for this.), and the true Sith' invasion, there Jedi Cold War, and end with the Jedi Civil War. (Yes, combining KotOR and TOR.) A mini-series about the exile or perhaps a comic where she redeems herself and rejoins Revan in his crusade. - I'm not as familiar with the Fallen Empire (from TOR), but it looks awesome! Include that into a series somehow. Include that into the Civil and Cold wars, or just have a complete new series! - A comic series or television series around the Army of Light and Brotherhood of Darkness. - Darth Bane books are definitely in!!! - Believe it or not, I would put the Legacy comics here in this era and have the legacy part, rather than about the Skywalkers, about Revan, Bastila, Qel-Droma, Sunrider and the true Sith's Emperor. Yes that would require an overhaul, I'm aware. But a lot could just be a reskin.
now to the movies.......
The prequels, all I have to say is go watch "what if "Star Wars: Episode I" was good?" by Belated Media. Then watch the next one. With some minor changes, that is canon. So yeah. No C-3PO. No Ewoks, Wookies will do. As a kid, I loved Jar Jar, but yeah he can go too.
I would make the comics and TCW all fit, changing what was needed in both to keep things like Ahsoka from TCW and Voss as the boss he is in the comics. I haven't finished Dark Disciple yet, but I would change it to Sev'rance Tann and a different Jedi (some modifications will need to be made with the Nightsister part obviously). We keep Asajj and Voss. I also want to see Durge in TCW. Finish out TCW with a plan of action for Rebles. ((Bonus points for a 3 way battle between Dooku and Grievous vs Maul and Asajj vs Windu and Kenobi.) (Double bonus points if the battle includes Nightsisters vs Death Watch vs Commandos.) Yes, I know this is ridiculous, but c'mon that'd be awesome!!!!)
TFU can go (even if I loved the game). Kota stays! He mentors Kanaan before he mentors Ezra. Rebels has some things that need changing! (History of the Darksaber being already mentioned.) More Ahsoka! I was pissed when they killed her off! How they've handled Mual is perfect. Asajj should be here and as a lost warrior with no fight. Ahsoka and Asajj worked together in the past, let's see it again! More Mandalorians! More Inquisitors! More Lasat! More Zeb duels! I feel like they've made Thrawn a little weaker than he is, otherwise nailing it. Vader is always welcome, (except when killing Ahsoka). Rogue One stays. I'm not a huge fan, but it was acceptable.
I'll leave from episode 6 to the legacy comics for you all to decide.