If we could decide what is canon, what's not, than how would the films be organized? What about the prequels? What resources would you all like to see canonized?
That's canon? If fans were in charge of canon
I keep the prequels, because TCW is great, I think CW should and would fit into canon as well. Rebels is in, Dark Empire does not make it, but most other EU Legends material up to the Heir of the Empire series is in.
In is as well the tales of the jedi despite the jedi academy trilogy being out. But as I said, anything past Thrawn's death is out, including all those prequel comics, mainly because I don't know them, love TCW and prefer not to re-introduce anything from Karen Traviss.
Don't like Rogue One, but it certainly is the better story than Kyle Katarn just running in and stealing the plans in an easy in, easy out mission. So Rogue One is in, Kyle Katarn is still in, even when he did not steal the death star plans, Speaking of Kyle, he is in, Starkiller is out, but that is again already covered by the anything past "Heir to the Empire" rule. And btw, this means as well that the Empire of the Hand is out ;-)
Guess my canon would as complicated as everyone elses canon
TFA is out
If fans were in charge of canon? Fans are in charge.
KotOR. Not sure about SWTOR.
What would I do? I'd adopt the Robin Hood model - all of it is canon, every single word, single frame from A New Hope to The Holiday Special. See, Robin's legacy has gotten so big and sprawling that nobody knows what may or may not have been based in reality anymore, that every little nook and cranny of the UK lays some claim to the mythology (see also, George Washington on the east coast). So - where did Vader and Luke first meet? The Bespin tourist board insists their first epic duel was on Cloud City. The high priests of Monastery claim that it was in the Crystal Valley where Luke and Vader first crossed swords. And there are old stormtroopers who personally saw the confrontation on Cymoon 1.
Who is right? Does it matter?
Edited by Desslok@Desslok , for mentioning Monastery...
My issue is always the why and how, not the what.
So like, why does something like the visual dictionary need to be canon? Are they going to be required reading for all future writers and directors? Will a film that is amazing, but contradicts some obscure useless fact in a picture book be burned and never shown? If a galactic-scale game changer occurs in a video game, will the crawl of the next movie have to include a twitch stream of some Slovakian guy screaming his way through it during the crawl?
The Canon debate to me has always been more about sales than sense. If a new book comes out that is well written, compelling, and a great yarn in the star wars style, also saying it's "not canon" will cause it to lose readership among the otaku elite of star wars fans, who would rather devote their time to a "canon" steaming pile of dookie.
The Canon debate is ultimately pointless, other media has already proven that you can tell multiple conflicting stories in the same setting and the people will pay as long as you up front about it. So you can either roll with it, and accept that some sources won't jive, or be a trekkie, desperately trying to make everything work and losing it when J.J. decides that the best way to make the old new again is with a hard reboot.
More points for Cymoon 1, because of that scene …
2 minutes ago, Ghostofman said:be a trekkie, desperately trying to make everything work and losing it when J.J. decides that the best way to make the old new again is with a hard reboot.
Which is btw not classified as alternative timeline / universe, while star trek discovery will be playing in the main star trek continuity. Having a canon of events to build the lore of a world is rather nice to have, because it allows for more consistent world building.
Does not mean that the Apocrypha are bad stories, they are just not canon. ;-)
40 minutes ago, Desslok said:So - where did Vader and Luke first meet? The Bespin tourist board insists their first epic duel was on Cloud City. The high priests of Monastery claim that it was in the Crystal Valley where Luke and Vader first crossed swords. And there are old stormtroopers who personally saw the confrontation on Cymoon 1.
Who is right? Does it matter?
No, no, no. They first met and dueled on swampy Mimban.
If fans made the decisions... It would be Galactic Civil War.
If I got to recanonise anything... I'd probably stick Mara Jade back in. Sure, we have the Inquisitorious that officially hunts down Jedi but don't tell me Palpatine "disappears" the more promising ones to work for him personally.
Mara Jade: By the Emperor's Hand remains one of my preferred EU works, and I am still going to be holding out for at least some mention of her (maybe Zahn will stick a bit in Thrawn? Wouldn't put it past him). Still hoping for Sigourney Weaver as an age-appropriate Mara Jade in The Last Jedi. Damnit, I can dream!
Keep the KOTOR era stuff (and the Nomi Sunrider, Ulic Quel Droma, Exar Kun era as well) as it can't affect the current day too much (as long as you pretend the whole "Exar Kun had his evil base on Yavin 4" thing).
I would make events and characters from Crystal Star an absolute canon.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Crystal_Star
Edited by NicoDavoutEverything in The Phantom Menace is no longer canon except for Darth Maul's Duel. All the scenes of Padmé and Anakin speaking together in Attack of the Clones are no longer canon, in fact, most of Hayden Christiansen's lines are no longer canon. No writer is ever allowed to use the phrase 'aggressive negotiations' ever again in any canon work. The deleted scene of Padmé with her family, where she begins to explain her feelings for Anakin and the audience begins to remember that Natalie Portman can actually be a great actress, that is canon.
There is no high ground.
Ewoks are no longer canon. They are replaced by wookies. There is no second death star (or third), but many Bothans died to find the hidden sanctuary of the Emperor on Byss. The rebels think they can win if they can take out the Emperor and his fortress, giving Luke's personal journey meaning to the rebellion too.
Jar Jar Binks, C-3PO, and Artoo are no longer canon. Yes, even Artoo. He's just a walking, flying, rolling plot device.
4 hours ago, NicoDavout said:I would make events and characters from Crystal Star an absolute canon.
You make me shiver in agony.
The Auralnauts Star Wars videos are canon, nothing else is.
Redo
Phantom Menace
the prequel trilogy and allow the actors to act this time. With a superior script.
Redo all the Gungans so that they are a reclusive society with strict principles on how and when they can wage warfare.
Keep all the original trilogy, the Clone Wars, Zahn's stuff, and a substantial overhaul of the Legacy of the Force.
Mind you, on that last one it would need to basically be re-written, but I think that it would be worth it.
I would keep the characters from the Force Awakens, but re-script the entire movie. Starkiller Base never happened.
The Ewoks would be Wookies. I could probably go on, but those are the big ones for me.
After Episode 1 Padme goes to Tatooine and buys the freedom of Anakin´´`´s mother....she can afford to give a freedom to a mother of a person who saved her planet...
13 hours ago, NicoDavout said:I would make events and characters from Crystal Star an absolute canon.
Why stop there? Canon should be New Hope and Crystal Star - and that's IT . Period, full stop.
11 hours ago, Desslok said:Why stop there? Canon should be New Hope and Crystal Star - and that's IT . Period, full stop.
ANH, CS and TFA. We can't have star wars without some little inconsistencies.
This epic song called "The Virtues of King Han Solo" created by C-3PO obviously must be a canon too!
QuoteHe’s got his own planet,
Although it’s kind of wild.
Wookiees love him.
Women love him.
He’s got a winning smile!
Though he may seem cool and cocky,
He’s more sensitive than he seems,
Han Solo,
What a man! Solo.
He’s every princess’s dream!
Topics like this make me happy "we" are not in charge. No two fans would ever agree on everything, let alone the majority would. A Star Wars designed by comity would probably by the worst version of it. I will stick with the flawed yet beloved version we have now.
Did we forget about this epic series?
On 02/20/2017 at 5:58 AM, NicoDavout said:Did we forget about this epic series?
THAT I want cannonized. boom boom.
On 2/18/2017 at 2:25 AM, DanteRotterdam said:Topics like this make me happy "we" are not in charge. No two fans would ever agree on everything, let alone the majority would. A Star Wars designed by comity would probably by the worst version of it. I will stick with the flawed yet beloved version we have now.
Catering to the fans is a sure way to run your show/movie/franchise into the ground. For a while there, Star Trek was becoming increasingly insular and self-referential, catering to the nerds instead of the general viewership. Even worse was Doctor Who in the eighties. I am not part of the John Nathan Turner (the producer of the time) ruined the show party, it's impossible to deny that he was catering more and more to what the fans wanted to see to the exclusion of everyone else. That was one of the factors leading to the show's demise in 1989 (well, that along with the fact that BBC controller activity disliked the show and did everything he could to undermine it).
It is possible for fans to run the asylum - we're starting to see that with the current batch of Star Wars flicks and the last two producers of Doctor Who (along with two of the four Doctors) have all been fans of their properties when they were kids. It's just that they can't cater to that demographic exclusively.