8 minutes ago, Joe Boss Red Seven said:

2 hours ago, gabe69velasquez said:

THIS is what I think of most often when I ponder on UGLIES.... and what a wonderful piece of SPACE PIRATE RAMSHACKLE IT IS TOO!!!

I hope no one miscounts the number of weapons on it, but I do like the fact that it also has a turret on the top. Like a design element that's a predecessor to the TIE/sf.... But, you know, it's not like a TIE/sf, duh.

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This type of "ugly" starfighter used the frontal fuselage of the Headhunter, which was then attached to the "eyeball" fuselage of a TIE Interceptor, the engines of the Headhunter, and the solar collector panels of the Interceptor. Weapon-wise, the craft possessed the two laser cannons from the TIE's wings, while the Z-95's own cannons were attached to either side of the main fuselage. The fighter also bore a twin barreled cannon, resembling a BTL Y-wing starfighter's ion cannon turret, mounted on top of the "eyeball" cockpit. Interestingly, a port for an astromech droid was situated at the nose of the fighter rather than behind the pilot.

On 10/23/2014 at 7:06 PM, Gosric said:

Ok. It is complete. I added plates with bolts as support for the panels, some miscellaneous conduits etc and enhanced the surface details. I was a bit iffy about it at first but will admit to have developed a liking for it now. Even though deep in my heart i still feel that the Y Wing is a perfect ship as it is and shouldnt be changed. Im also going to do a ball turret cannon version.

Limited arc turret, but 8 guns forward.

8 hours ago, Wiredin said:

Which makes me question if Force Commanders Tie Defender is officially a canon reveal as well.

Doesn't matter because rebels recanonized the defender too.

Wow, this whole topic is just ugly

3 minutes ago, gabe69velasquez said:

That K-wing/Y-wing hybrid is absolute fantastic!!!!!!!!!

Also liking the B-wing X-wing hybrid (fourth from bottom).

20 minutes ago, Sciencius said:

That K-wing/Y-wing hybrid is absolute fantastic!!!!!!!!!

Also liking the B-wing X-wing hybrid (fourth from bottom).

There's a KY slam action joke in there that I'll refrain from elaborating on: Made me change my mind about a third Y-wing engine being better.

And the BX hybrid looks like it may be smaller than an A-wing overall, it's certainly innovative.

The one I'd really be interested in seeing a card for though is the last one, that AK-wing.

11 hours ago, Green Rabid Monkey said:

Heck why not just make this if we are going with Uglies now...

It's already in the game. It's called the U-Wing.

Also, never understood that Ugly hype. They are just plain ugly and don't make sense at all. An X-Wing cockpit with TIE solar panels... where exactly are the engines on that thing? On the TIE they're part of the middle glob, on the X-Wing the engines are part of the wings, so we have a cockpit with panels that'll drift in space? Makes sense to build that I guess.

So let's take a TIE cockpit and put 4 X-Wing engines on that, cool, we got like 6 engines now but where does the power come from? No solar panels there so again, likely adrift in space, but hey, it got 6 engines, so there's that.

Plus, the design is really ugly because you try to join up 2 totally different designs (InCom and Sienar) on starfighters and mash them together. I don't cut my desk in half either and put ebony wood in the one half and maple wood in the other and glue that together. Seriously.

Uglies are something that should never have been created in the first place and I sure hope it will not end up in this game.

5 hours ago, Robin Graves said:

Actually I consider the TIE defender, star viper and punishing one to be uglies. I'm sorry, if you like these ships that's fine, but to me they look like a TIE with a bunch of unnececary wings atttached, an exploded general grievous and some weird ass sith millenium falcon respectivly.

As someone who loves the Star Viper (good old Empire at War memories) I think I have never seen a better desciption of it

5 hours ago, Hawkstrike said:

You mean like an E-wing?

Oh snap, I totaly forgot about that one! K-Wing, too, right? So we haven't seen a ship from new canon comics, yet, not that I know of that many that have been created there, though.

26 minutes ago, JayDestroyaC said:

It's already in the game. It's called the U-Wing.

Also, never understood that Ugly hype. They are just plain ugly and don't make sense at all. An X-Wing cockpit with TIE solar panels... where exactly are the engines on that thing? On the TIE they're part of the middle glob, on the X-Wing the engines are part of the wings, so we have a cockpit with panels that'll drift in space? Makes sense to build that I guess.

So let's take a TIE cockpit and put 4 X-Wing engines on that, cool, we got like 6 engines now but where does the power come from? No solar panels there so again, likely adrift in space, but hey, it got 6 engines, so there's that.

Plus, the design is really ugly because you try to join up 2 totally different designs (InCom and Sienar) on starfighters and mash them together. I don't cut my desk in half either and put ebony wood in the one half and maple wood in the other and glue that together. Seriously.

Uglies are something that should never have been created in the first place and I sure hope it will not end up in this game.

You're judging in ignorance, try educating yourself on the concept before you knock it:

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An Ugly was any type of starfighter that had been cobbled together out of parts that had been salvaged from varying origins, including crashed starfighters and ex-military surplus. The term itself seemed to be of Corellian origin.

Uglies were predominantly used by pirates, smugglers, and other groups that lacked the resources to purchase or build conventional starfighters. Ugly fighters were best known as products of independent shipyards in the Corellian system, but they and the yards that created them could be found throughout the galaxy. Some Ugly types had relatively standardized designs, but most were unique and had wildly varied performance traits. An Ugly generally tended to be a poor match for a modern conventional military-built fighter, as they typically ended up with more of the weaknesses than the strengths of their component parts.

Many Uglies during the New Republic era were amalgamations of parts from Rebel and Imperial craft. They were used by gangs such as Kavil's Corsairs, who flew them against Rogue Squadron. Other versions of Uglies could be found in pirate and mercenary fleets such as that of the Invid pirate fleet led by Leonia Tavira. The Sacorrian Triad was known to make heavy use of Uglies during the First Corellian Insurrection, and it is possible that the Peace Brigade used them during the Yuuzhan Vong War.

These craft could sometimes have surprising abilities, although they were sometimes prone to failure and may have needed repeated repairs. One such craft was encountered by Han Solo, and was armed with a planetary defense cannon.

Having multiple modifications and multiple illicit upgrades is appealing to some players, and Uglies are a good way to introduce those options.

7 hours ago, gabe69velasquez said:

oh yeah, so you have to call on your buddies to back you up

First, I have no friends on the new forums because the merge wiped out the friend list. Second, I wouldn't "call on them to back me up" that's just lame.

5 hours ago, gabe69velasquez said:

he's some friend or relative of yours

See above. Just because people agree doesn't make them friends or relatives. You and I both like Star Wars, are we related now???

4 hours ago, gabe69velasquez said:

I hope no one miscounts the number of weapons on it

So you keep asking everyone to drop it, reply to every post in the thread, and reference the misunderstanding of the joke in unrelated posts...

3 hours ago, gabe69velasquez said:

There's a KY slam action joke in there that I'll refrain from elaborating on

You're not funny.

Uglies may be the second worst thing to ever exist in Star Wars... after the Yuuzhan Vong.

I am sad they have returned, and I hope they never ever ever grace an X-wing table.

3 hours ago, gabe69velasquez said:

You're judging in ignorance, try educating yourself on the concept before you knock it:

Having multiple modifications and multiple illicit upgrades is appealing to some players, and Uglies are a good way to introduce those options.

Judging in Ignorance? Only if there is more to the ugly concept than mercenary bands scrounging for parts and sticking them together. I knew that concept before you posted that in. It still doesn't make sense, they could just refacture a whole X-Wing again with the cockpit and wings instead of merging the cockpit with tie wings and the wings with a tie body. What would make you want to cross-build these types? Not to mention that I'd highly doubt some pirate scum would be able to merge two different industry standards together.

What's more likely is that they couldn't come up with more fighter ideas so hey, let's merge alliance and empire fighters somehow and we have new fighters without doing anything, then fabricating some backstory around that should make it plausible.

And you could also just put any number of modifications and/or illicit upgrade on standard scum (maybe even rebel) ships and be perfectly fine because that's what you'd expect scum and rebels to do, just modify the heck out of their ships to gain an advantage. It doesn't need uglies to do that. Could just say that StarViper now has 3 mod and 3 illicit slots because it was custom built for Xizor anyway. Some goes for any pirate band with Z-95s, Y-Wings, etc.. They'd all mod their fighters with additional stuff that maybe works or maybe backfires, it doesn't need uglies for that.

4 hours ago, gabe69velasquez said:

I know the top left is a "Y-TIE" and I've seen it before. Are any of the others "official" and/or do they have real names? Or are these just bashed together for the sake of being "uglies"?

25 minutes ago, ObiWonka said:

I know the top left is a "Y-TIE" and I've seen it before. Are any of the others "official" and/or do they have real names? Or are these just bashed together for the sake of being "uglies"?

The TIE with X-Wing wings is a Deathseed, probably the best looking ugly.

Uglies always made more sense to me than the Z-95, which is basically a Sopwith Camel in the era of Supermarine Spitfires and DeHaviland Mosquitos.

Thought I'd leave one of my CLL entries here. Behold! The Y-TIE!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S95aUquTSGyew8AOGCDpiYSAAg6ZarLHD0z3ITQmRF8/edit

Da Orkz iz com'in!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!! *cough* *cough* Sorry, chaps, seemed to have caught a sudden case of the ugly. . .

Looks like Disney are hoping to muscle in on GW territory, maybe that is why FFG dropped the GW contract. . because dey iz GOING TO WARR!!!

Opps, sorry.

Whats next, a bunch of enhanced troopers, wearing different colored Armour, blindly following an Emperor they pledged allegiance too but never see?

You could almost say that this has a CULT following.

Yeah I went there.

Anyway, I'm no engineer or space engineer but I'm pretty sure mixing and matching vehicle parts is a bad idea. At least that's what the cops told me whilst I was cruising in my Mercedes Ford.

6 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

The TIE with X-Wing wings is a Deathseed, probably the best looking ugly.

They don't exactly set a high bar.

rant on:

Uglies are just boring and uninspired. Come instead with something originally, fresh new. This is just copy and paste.

And they make no sense, apart from maybe ONE single unit somewhere. Which still would get annihilated almost instantly, cause even an old Z95 is performing much better than the result of an attempt to cobble up HIGHLY complicated SPACEship parts from different manufacturers which use different philosophies, technics, frames and fittings and software.

-Thematically its stupid.

If you have enough parts to build several uglies, you would try to do an X-wing of all X-wing parts. And not spread your x-wing over 5 different scrap heaps. Maintenance of these scrap heaps is even MORE of a nightmare, especially if you are short on resources.

These things should roll a red die every time they do a red maneuver, probably they should roll for malfunction if throwing more than 2 red dice when attacking. And all damage to them is face-up.

If you have so many parts sell them off as spares, and buy some real fighters for the money.

-Gamewise its stupid.

What role would they fill? Cheaper than 12 pts, 1-2 attack dice? Thats not viable, neither practical. Even if you go for pure casual you still have the problem that having so many cheap worthless units on the board only leads to bumperwing and really DRAGS out gameplay when you have to move that many units. A bit like Goblins or Skaven floods of models. And you are not really saying that these scrap heaps should be better than any of the already existing ship in the game, or are you? Having more random power and attack value output could be a thing, but like e.g. the GW Chaos Dwarf units so much random variance (between the extremes of explode yourself or suddenly being better than units your opponent paid dearly for in points) is purely beer and pretzels.

And FFG probably will not water down faction identity by producing these abominations

/rant off

Build them for yourselves if you absolute must have them.

Have fun with them at home, not a problem.

But I sincerely hope that they never come to the game. Especially not as a power creep being better than earlier stuff.

2 hours ago, Managarmr said:

rant on:

Uglies are just boring and uninspired. Come instead with something originally, fresh new. This is just copy and paste.

And they make no sense, apart from maybe ONE single unit somewhere. Which still would get annihilated almost instantly, cause even an old Z95 is performing much better than the result of an attempt to cobble up HIGHLY complicated SPACEship parts from different manufacturers which use different philosophies, technics, frames and fittings and software.

-Thematically its stupid.

If you have enough parts to build several uglies, you would try to do an X-wing of all X-wing parts. And not spread your x-wing over 5 different scrap heaps. Maintenance of these scrap heaps is even MORE of a nightmare, especially if you are short on resources.

These things should roll a red die every time they do a red maneuver, probably they should roll for malfunction if throwing more than 2 red dice when attacking. And all damage to them is face-up.

If you have so many parts sell them off as spares, and buy some real fighters for the money.

-Gamewise its stupid.

What role would they fill? Cheaper than 12 pts, 1-2 attack dice? Thats not viable, neither practical. Even if you go for pure casual you still have the problem that having so many cheap worthless units on the board only leads to bumperwing and really DRAGS out gameplay when you have to move that many units. A bit like Goblins or Skaven floods of models. And you are not really saying that these scrap heaps should be better than any of the already existing ship in the game, or are you? Having more random power and attack value output could be a thing, but like e.g. the GW Chaos Dwarf units so much random variance (between the extremes of explode yourself or suddenly being better than units your opponent paid dearly for in points) is purely beer and pretzels.

And FFG probably will not water down faction identity by producing these abominations

/rant off

Build them for yourselves if you absolute must have them.

Have fun with them at home, not a problem.

But I sincerely hope that they never come to the game. Especially not as a power creep being better than earlier stuff.

OH... THEY ARE CUMMIN... DID YOU SEE, and so is Solo's fake black gurl wife, and at least three or four more Droids and Aliens.

MOUSE SEZ... Boogity-Boog-Boo!

17 minutes ago, Joe Boss Red Seven said:

OH... THEY ARE CUMMIN... DID YOU SEE, and so is Solo's fake black gurl wife, and at least three or four more Droids and Aliens.

MOUSE SEZ... Boogity-Boog-Boo!

Imperial assault is already set to get BT-1 and 0-0-0 * from the Doctor Aphra comics. Wich is awesome!

* think R2D2 as an assassin droid full of weapons and C3po, while stil being polite, being a sadistic torturer.

On 2/16/2017 at 11:00 AM, Green Rabid Monkey said:

Please no....just no

if I had to fly one of those, I'd rather you take my wings

that's the thing, they take the wings, and strap em onto engines and cockpits...

Personal I would love to see the Death-seed form the Rouge squadron books show up ( Tie cockpit, X-Wing wings, and engines) They were a custom built main stay ugly for the Twi'leks. good story line behind the ship and makes sense over all. Here's the link to the Wookiepedia http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chir'daki for their background.