So some friends and I have discussed strategy of rolling dice. For example, if you turn a die with the blank side out (not up) and roll the dice forward it won't likely roll the blank. Do you guys use strategy or just roll and hope? I enjoy random rolls too but it's kinda nice to take some randomness out of it. Thoughts?

Maybe I'm not an ultra competitive person who find their personal meaning in winning a card game, but I just pick up and roll and don't try to influence the dice.

14 minutes ago, Shenannigan said:

Maybe I'm not an ultra competitive person who find their personal meaning in winning a card game, but I just pick up and roll and don't try to influence the dice.

That's called a casual gamer. Nothing wrong with that. Also, nothing wrong with being a competitive gamer. No need to belittle them.

31 minutes ago, DarthBlade said:

So some friends and I have discussed strategy of rolling dice. For example, if you turn a die with the blank side out (not up) and roll the dice forward it won't likely roll the blank. Do you guys use strategy or just roll and hope? I enjoy random rolls too but it's kinda nice to take some randomness out of it. Thoughts?

I would probably call that cheating. If I saw my opponent doing something to adjust the roll of the dice in his favor, I'd ask him kindly to stop.

1 minute ago, CBowser said:

I would probably call that cheating. If I saw my opponent doing something to adjust the roll of the dice in his favor, I'd ask him kindly to stop.

I would definitely call that cheating and immediately call over a tournament organizer. That is highly competitive playing, unfortunately it is more than just that competitive advantage players should look for and is just in fact cheating. It is akin to simply setting the die to the result you want instead of rolling. The idea of a roll is to randomize it such that every side has an exactly equal likelihood of coming up: 16.67%.

7 minutes ago, DarthBlade said:

That's called a casual gamer. Nothing wrong with that. Also, nothing wrong with being a competitive gamer. No need to belittle them.

There is when you're advocating cheating.

This is pretty much definitively "cheating". When we roll we are to roll in a way that sufficiently promotes a random result.

If I saw you rolling like this in a game with me, (after I'd stopped laughing), I would kindly ask you to roll normally

Brilliant!

12 minutes ago, anthonybarnstable said:

I would definitely call that cheating and immediately call over a tournament organizer. That is highly competitive playing, unfortunately it is more than just that competitive advantage players should look for and is just in fact cheating. It is akin to simply setting the die to the result you want instead of rolling. The idea of a roll is to randomize it such that every side has an exactly equal likelihood of coming up: 16.67%.

Just to clarify, what part is cheating? You picked up a die and rolled it accordingly. I know of no rules that say you can't turn die in ur hand, blow in them, etc etc...so what would you be telling the judge? "He rolled the die weird"....judge: "did he roll the die in air and it rolled multiple times on the table?" You: "yes", judge: "goodbye"

That is cheating and I would kick his ass out of tournament... it has nothing to do with casual or competitive player... never ever heard so much stupid things in one short sentence...

Competitive players would never try to do that, as they would have also solutions for dice showing a blank...

2 minutes ago, Veritas85 said:

That is cheating and I would kick his ass out of tournament... it has nothing to do with casual or competitive player... never ever heard so much stupid things in one short sentence...

Competitive players would never try to do that, as they would have also solutions for dice showing a blank...

So for the record, if it's still rolling in air and on table it's cheating? Do explain your reasoning.

2 minutes ago, DarthBlade said:

So for the record, if it's still rolling in air and on table it's cheating? Do explain your reasoning.

If the way you are holding or rolling the die has the intent of creating a non-random result, it is cheating. Rolling the die should always create a completely random result.

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For example, if you turn a die with the blank side out (not up) and roll the dice forward it won't likely roll the blank.

This is cheating because you are manipulating the roll in your favor, rather than creating a random result with any outcome being equally possible.

Just now, Docile said:

If the way you are holding or rolling the die has the intent of creating a non-random result, it is cheating. Rolling the die should always create a completely random result.

This is cheating because you are manipulating the roll in your favor, rather than creating a random result with any outcome being equally possible.

The results are based solely on my experience. It is by no way official or statistical. So from anyone elses standpoint it isn't affecting the roll. Just keep that in mind. It's no different than people blowing in dice and expecting a result.

Just now, DarthBlade said:

The results are based solely on my experience. It is by no way official or statistical. So from anyone elses standpoint it isn't affecting the roll. Just keep that in mind. It's no different than people blowing in dice and expecting a result.

You are deliberately trying to make the die not roll a particular side. It might not be something a judge or opponent can catch, but the goal is to create a non-random result via dexterity.

Ok so you don't let people blow on dice because it's cheating correct?

Blowing on the dice is very different than rolling dice in a way to avoid a result.

Darth blade is wrong, and correlating two different situations with an outcome. Does blowing on dice manipulate in anyway the outcome of the roll? No, therefore the randomness of the result is in tact, and it is legal.

While there is no measurable way to quantify ones rolling motion correlated to a specific die face, it does not mean however that purposefully starting with dice in a preordained position won't effect the outcome of the roll (mitigating the opportunity for a blank to be rolled).

Would you let a hyper loop player (or any player any deck in a competitive environment ) shuffle their deck face up? I'm going to take a shot and assume your answer is no. The reason being... it gives the player an opportunity to prioritize cards for the game. A step farther says why not, don't you get an opportunity to cut the deck before the game, therefore it shouldn't matter? He knows what's in his deck who cares if he gets a general idea of how the cards come up.

The reality is, there are ways to cheat or manipulate the outcomes of any game, but reasonable preventative maintenance can and should be enforced.

I don't want to play games in the world darth blade lives in where we shuffle face up, and control the landscape of what should be a random outcome on dice.

Call me old-fashioned... I'm trying to play the game competitively, fairly, and win.

9 minutes ago, Rebeltrooper said:

Darth blade is wrong, and correlating two different situations with an outcome. Does blowing on dice manipulate in anyway the outcome of the roll? No, therefore the randomness of the result is in tact, and it is legal.

While there is no measurable way to quantify ones rolling motion correlated to a specific die face, it does not mean however that purposefully starting with dice in a preordained position won't effect the outcome of the roll (mitigating the opportunity for a blank to be rolled).

Would you let a hyper loop player (or any player any deck in a competitive environment ) shuffle their deck face up? I'm going to take a shot and assume your answer is no. The reason being... it gives the player an opportunity to prioritize cards for the game. A step farther says why not, don't you get an opportunity to cut the deck before the game, therefore it shouldn't matter? He knows what's in his deck who cares if he gets a general idea of how the cards come up.

The reality is, there are ways to cheat or manipulate the outcomes of any game, but reasonable preventative maintenance can and should be enforced.

I don't want to play games in the world darth blade lives in where we shuffle face up, and control the landscape of what should be a random outcome on dice.

Call me old-fashioned... I'm trying to play the game competitively, fairly, and win.

The point of this thread was thoughts on rolling the die. Not other aspects of the game. You say blowing on dice is different yet you compare this to turning cards face up? I laughed out loud when I read that. I appreciate your opinion though don't agree with your points.

DarthBlade, what you're advocating is straight-up cheating. It has nothing to do with being a casual or a competitive player.

If anything you do actually influences the outcome of the roll such that any side has anything other than a 1/6 chance of occurring, it's cheating. Get that **** outta here.

You compared two things blowing on dice doesn't affect the randomness of a result, setting a dice specifically does, as does shuffling face up, those are two things that directly manipulate randomness of an act. You can compare two different things if both affect the outcome similarly which yours did not.

17 minutes ago, maddmaxx said:

Blowing on the dice is very different than rolling dice in a way to avoid a result.

The post before this said that ANYTHING attempting to control the outcome is cheating. People blow on dice for luck in that they get the roll they desire. It is very much the same. Both methods are not substantiated to any degree.

You posed a question and got unequivocally shot down in "strategy" of rolling dice. The community you are asking universally considers it cheating no matter what shade or grey you try spin it under. Play with your buddies that why, now one can or wants to stop you. Bring that garbage to a tourney and you will have judges, and opponents, making you legitimately rolling dice.

1 minute ago, DarthBlade said:

The post before this said that ANYTHING attempting to control the outcome is cheating. People blow on dice for luck in that they get the roll they desire. It is very much the same. Both methods are not substantiated to any degree.

I guess this means a case study must commence! Do 1000 rolls blowing on dice, 1000 rolls using the method mentioned in the OP, then 1000 rolls doing both. Please share results!

2 minutes ago, Rebeltrooper said:

You compared two things blowing on dice doesn't affect the randomness of a result, setting a dice specifically does, as does shuffling face up, those are two things that directly manipulate randomness of an act. You can compare two different things if both affect the outcome similarly which yours did not.

This will be my last response due to the lack of common sense being displayed...once again...this is NOT setting dice...it is rolling a die no different than your opponent only that you picked up and turned before rolling.

2 minutes ago, DarthBlade said:

The post before this said that ANYTHING attempting to control the outcome is cheating. People blow on dice for luck in that they get the roll they desire. It is very much the same. Both methods are not substantiated to any degree.

On the contrary, sleight of hand does actually have the potential to fix a die roll. There are people who can make a desired face occur far more frequently than it should just by the method that they "roll" the die.

Show me someone who can blow on dice and replicate this and then you can talk about how they're the same.

1 minute ago, DarthBlade said:

This will be my last response due to the lack of common sense being displayed...once again...this is NOT setting dice...it is rolling a die no different than your opponent only that you picked up and turned before rolling.

Good luck explaining that to a tourney director. It's cheating, use common sense, or use the common sense we are all trying to provide you with.

-don't practice cheating