Also, does it strike anyone else as a very poor idea to test the GM? It'd be bad GMing, but my my gut response to someone pulling that nonsense would almost be an instant and immediate "Rocks fall, everyone dies. Care to try that again?"

Its pretty much the definition of adversarial (as opposed to collaborative) gaming being exhibited by the player. Engaging it, or reciprocating, as the GM (or player if it's your GM who's doing it) is a natural instinct but is ultimately only going to promote the negative relationship to continue. Best to nip it in the bud w/ a conversation if you value positive gaming experiences, IME/O.

Generally it's the type of player/GM I try to avoid gaming with.

Oh, it is absolutely the wrong response - but it is a very human response.

Toon and Paranoia both mentioned within a few posts.

Ah, memories....

3 hours ago, Desslok said:

Also, does it strike anyone else as a very poor idea to test the GM? It'd be bad GMing, but my my gut response to someone pulling that nonsense would almost be an instant and immediate "Rocks fall, everyone dies. Care to try that again?"

Definitely not the brightest idea to test the guy/gal with all the power. Personally I welcome it. That's when I go into "Let me explain how this is going to go down...still want to go with that action?"

6 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

If you use coercion it's not consent.

Stan, your inability to grasp sarcasm, even when smiley assisted, is something you should work on. Really.

47 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

Stan, your inability to grasp sarcasm, even when smiley assisted, is something you should work on. Really.

Try being clearer about your tone. a smiley can mean a bunch of things, after all.

1 hour ago, Stan Fresh said:

Try being clearer about your tone. a smiley can mean a bunch of things, after all.

It's just you. Everyone else seems to 'get it' just fine. Of course, this could just be your typical pattern of trying to turn anything into an argument, and if that's the case, I regret following you under your bridge this far.

1 hour ago, HappyDaze said:

It's just you. Everyone else seems to 'get it' just fine. Of course, this could just be your typical pattern of trying to turn anything into an argument, and if that's the case, I regret following you under your bridge this far.

How you react to stuff is on you. Don't try to put that on me.

12 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

How you react to stuff is on you. Don't try to put that on me.

This, folks, is the mating call of the spotted internet troll.

7 hours ago, HappyDaze said:

This, folks, is the mating call of the spotted internet troll.

No, it's a refusal to engage with your nonsense.

So, back on topic, we had another session last night, and the players ventured to Weik to explore rumors of Jedi there (they're hunting them down for the Sith). Interesting tidbit that I think adequately punished the players: the were approached by Lucites who offered them gold coin and information in exchange for them slaughtering four Astromancers during their nightly ritual. So when they arrive, the Mystic PC approached them and tried to chat with them (to my surprise). He didn't believe in the magic they talked about, and was contemplating killing them since they looked harmless. He did, however, ask for a demonstration of this magic.

So one of the Astromancers shot lightning out of his fingertips at him, though rolled stupidly good and ended up criting. It also knocked him unconscious, criting him again. The rest of the party was in dismay, and quickly stimpacked him. They decided that they wouldn't (and probably shouldnt) mess with these guys, so they left, with the intention to just torture the other guys for the information they seek and take the money by force.

I said "Fair enough, I expect it at this point". On their way out of the house, while the Astromancers were still inside, the Mystic PC of course wants revenge, so decided to light their house on fire and watch them burn. He said he would wait about 10 minutes to see if any guards were around. I said, "Great".

Just so happens the Astromancers have Foresight, so one of them rolled and knew what they were gonna do, therefor they came outside to defend themselves. The party then got royally screwed, and I even eluded to the fact that it was because of what the Mystic was planning.

After several crits and unconscious players later, they woke up in a warehouse with their lightsabers stolen.

"That guy knocked me out in a single attack, so I'm gonna set fire to his house on the way out?" XD I got a good chuckle out of this. Even if he thought it would work, the Astromancers probably didn't even need the force to know that their building might be on fire.

Not that I thought that it was a bad idea for them to continue to carry out the mission; just sometimes a little bit of planning makes for better revenge then going the quick and easy route. Even Sidious who is the embodiment of the darkside took the long and steady route in finally defeating the Jedi Order. Players want immediate retribution for any slight, but it's worth mentioning that these aren't just "missions", but rather these characters will still be around even if the deal closes.

In short it's a nice enough lesson to teach. Though how strong were these astromancers? to one shot a PC is impressive.

After reading through everything, I'm not sure if the best course of action doesn't involve a restraining order.

So, as unfortunate as it is, I've decided to shelve this game after 3 months of playing. A lot has happened in that 3 months, but I just can't continue.

Awww man, I'm sorry to hear that dude, what happened?

Well, in a fight against a Jedi Master and his Padawan (the party went evil), the problem PC and the Shien Expert we're both killed. So they rerolled characters, the problem PC this time being an alcoholic Twi'lek.

Two sessions later, I'm getting burnt out running this game and Rogue Trader. One PC is neutral about everything and is on his phone most of the time, one PC literally only wants credits, period. One PC is a drunk who tries to run the party since no one else will, and the last one is a Jedi who's interested in the story when no one else is.

We've also come to the conclusion that starship combat is wonky and unfun, combat is too "glass-cannon" like, and this whole system is based off of narrative story telling that none of the party members seem overly excited for. So, I told them I'm not feeling DMing it anymore, and we decided to have someone else DM DnD 5e instead.

Sorry to hear that. Best of luck in your next game.

56 minutes ago, Krodarklorr said:

Well, in a fight against a Jedi Master and his Padawan (the party went evil), the problem PC and the Shien Expert we're both killed. So they rerolled characters, the problem PC this time being an alcoholic Twi'lek.

Two sessions later, I'm getting burnt out running this game and Rogue Trader. One PC is neutral about everything and is on his phone most of the time, one PC literally only wants credits, period. One PC is a drunk who tries to run the party since no one else will, and the last one is a Jedi who's interested in the story when no one else is.

We've also come to the conclusion that starship combat is wonky and unfun, combat is too "glass-cannon" like, and this whole system is based off of narrative story telling that none of the party members seem overly excited for. So, I told them I'm not feeling DMing it anymore, and we decided to have someone else DM DnD 5e instead.

Yeah, sounds like you have a table of douchebags. Nothing more soul-sapping then trying to run a game for people who don't give a crap. Find some different people to run the system with if you like it a lot? That's what I'd do.

4 hours ago, Krodarklorr said:

Well, in a fight against a Jedi Master and his Padawan (the party went evil), the problem PC and the Shien Expert we're both killed. So they rerolled characters, the problem PC this time being an alcoholic Twi'lek.

Two sessions later, I'm getting burnt out running this game and Rogue Trader. One PC is neutral about everything and is on his phone most of the time, one PC literally only wants credits, period. One PC is a drunk who tries to run the party since no one else will, and the last one is a Jedi who's interested in the story when no one else is.

We've also come to the conclusion that starship combat is wonky and unfun, combat is too "glass-cannon" like, and this whole system is based off of narrative story telling that none of the party members seem overly excited for. So, I told them I'm not feeling DMing it anymore, and we decided to have someone else DM DnD 5e instead.

Well, I it sounds like they have that MMO craving. The reason's PC's are glass cannon like is because people usually hurt when they are shot! Ahahaha Though that is a fine pity. Ever considered running sessions for the one player if you craved that fix? As strange as it sounds a series of advantures of a PC with a side kick that changes with every session is cool.

6 hours ago, KungFuFerret said:

Yeah, sounds like you have a table of douchebags. Nothing more soul-sapping then trying to run a game for people who don't give a crap. Find some different people to run the system with if you like it a lot? That's what I'd do.

This doesn't sound too different from "the average table" to me.

I don't know a table that doesn't have "the dinks on his phone guy" (or multiples of them).

Creds is a legit player motivation. GM needs to (and easily can) deal with that.

Trying to push the game along isn't deplorable, even though this guy was "the problem guy" in the first place, at least he's trying to hold it together now?

And of course the last guy is the guy you want more of.

But to say they're douchebags cuz of the info given is kind of a douchebaggy thing to say.

The truth of it sounds like the whole table doesn't like the system, period. Doesn't make 'em douchebags. Not every system is for every player or table.

With all that said, what I'm REALLY hearing is you may be looking to get rid of some books Krodaklorr?

PM me

15 hours ago, emsquared said:

This doesn't sound too different from "the average table" to me.

I don't know a table that doesn't have "the dinks on his phone guy" (or multiples of them).

Creds is a legit player motivation. GM needs to (and easily can) deal with that.

Trying to push the game along isn't deplorable, even though this guy was "the problem guy" in the first place, at least he's trying to hold it together now?

And of course the last guy is the guy you want more of.

But to say they're douchebags cuz of the info given is kind of a douchebaggy thing to say.

The truth of it sounds like the whole table doesn't like the system, period. Doesn't make 'em douchebags. Not every system is for every player or table.

With all that said, what I'm REALLY hearing is you may be looking to get rid of some books Krodaklorr?

PM me

Haha, I personally Love the system, I'm just burnt out dming for people who won't progress the story because they want to make more credits elsewhere, and that's all they want to do. I've also dangled story bits in their faces and everyone is just "bleh", which I guess I can't really fix, and changing the system probably won't fix it. (The player on his phone is a close friend and is also in my Rogue Trader game, and does the same thing while it's not his turn to roll dice).

2 hours ago, Krodarklorr said:

Haha, I personally Love the system, I'm just burnt out dming for people who won't progress the story because they want to make more credits elsewhere, and that's all they want to do. I've also dangled story bits in their faces and everyone is just "bleh", which I guess I can't really fix, and changing the system probably won't fix it. (The player on his phone is a close friend and is also in my Rogue Trader game, and does the same thing while it's not his turn to roll dice).

If you want to take a break from GMing, and instead want to get a chance to play, I run a weekend game. Its supposed to be Edge of the Empire but it keeps on ending up Force and Destiny-like.

We have a pilot, a prospect that wants to be a face, a mechanic, and a Medic.

We're all pretty fresh faced and new, so you can expect a higher level of engagement than usual, and everyone is very friendly.

1 hour ago, Xenophyter said:

If you want to take a break from GMing, and instead want to get a chance to play, I run a weekend game. Its supposed to be Edge of the Empire but it keeps on ending up Force and Destiny-like.

We have a pilot, a prospect that wants to be a face, a mechanic, and a Medic.

We're all pretty fresh faced and new, so you can expect a higher level of engagement than usual, and everyone is very friendly.

How are you guys going to be playing? Roll20 or something?

4 hours ago, Krodarklorr said:

How are you guys going to be playing? Roll20 or something?

Yup, Roll20, Oggdude's. and Discord