Instead of building a title to add attack or evade dice, how about something to make them cheaper by the quantity taken. (You Know Swarm Bonus)

Swarm tactics training

0 Pts

Any non Unique small ship

For every non unique small ship of the same type after the first, equipped with this title, subtract 2 from your squad cost.

So two academy ties, would normally be 24 points, but now they would each be 10 points so 20 points total

Two A-wings with Chardan would normally be 34, but instead they would each be 15 points, so 30 points total

What do you think?

I'm not sure we really need to see 21 point Warden Squadron K-Wings. The triple K-Wing lists around seem to be plenty strong enough as things stand...

So...if I understand this right, you could field 10 naked Academy TIE fighters in a 100-point match?

Correct! 10 Academy Ties. As for the Wardens, they are only wardens, not miranda. so yes

6 minutes ago, Jarval said:

I'm not sure we really need to see 21 point Warden Squadron K-Wings. The triple K-Wing lists around seem to be plenty strong enough as things stand...

True, but they are only wardens, and 10 ties would eat them alive. Also you could field 5 blue B's, many ships would come back with this, IMO

If I'm reading that correctly, six Academy TIEs with the title lets me take infinite free Academy TIES?

1 minute ago, eagletsi111 said:

Correct! 10 Academy Ties. As for the Wardens, they are only wardens, not miranda. so yes

There's no such thng as only wardens. 3 wardens with sabine and a bunch of bombs is already a horrible list without making the bunch of bombs bigger.

4 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

There's no such thng as only wardens. 3 wardens with sabine and a bunch of bombs is already a horrible list without making the bunch of bombs bigger.

True, but they have that now. If 10 ties or 5 b's or 10 Z's, those wardens would be in trouble, for sure. They would have to build differently because of it.

Maybe 7 blacks with crack or some with draw their fire, or 6 blacks with crack and an ace. Fearsome indeed.

Fundamentally, I don't think just adding more ships to the board will help (and will make games with swarm lists take even longer than they already do). If 8 TIEs can't deal with something, I don't think that having 10 of them will notably change that. Ships that have consistent enough defence to ignore 2 attack dice shots will continue to do so, and anything that can't already would struggle with a TIE swarm.

9 minutes ago, Mangipan said:

If I'm reading that correctly, six Academy TIEs with the title lets me take infinite free Academy TIES?

This is a bigger issue.

Isn't there a rule of 8.

Also, while this might help the Tie swarm, I shudder to think about some of the other possibilities.

6 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

This is a bigger issue.

No it lets you take 10 max

To be fair, 10 TIE Fighters would be about a similar useless as 8 TIE Fighters, all you're doing is adding to the time it would take the opponent to clear the table.

10 minutes ago, Jarval said:

Fundamentally, I don't think just adding more ships to the board will help (and will make games with swarm lists take even longer than they already do). If 8 TIEs can't deal with something, I don't think that having 10 of them will notably change that. Ships that have consistent enough defence to ignore 2 attack dice shots will continue to do so, and anything that can't already would struggle with a TIE swarm.

Actually, this would mean two more ships to strip their tokens, 2 ship builds would have to kill 2 more. This is a win/win for the game IMO. It brings swarms back, and weakens two ship builds, as well as ships with lots of tokens. More ships to bump with and direct enemy where you want them to go. More ships sold for FFG

2 minutes ago, eagletsi111 said:

No it lets you take 10 max

What are you talking about?

" For every non unique small ship of the same type equipped with this title, subtract 2 from your squad cost."

So if you are the only ship with the title, you reduce your cost by 2. If a friend has it, you reduce your cost by 4. If two friends have it, you reduce your cost by 6. If three is -8, four is -10, five is -12 and then you spam free TIES?

Your card is poorly worded.

3 minutes ago, eagletsi111 said:

No it lets you take 10 max

Oh, I see where you're coming from.

You've written it wrongly, in that case. You and your on cards always refer to the ship, not the player - so when 6 or more TIES have this title, each one reduces its cost by 12 to 0.

I see what your saying. I will fix it. Sorry

Added after the first, is that better?

3 minutes ago, Mangipan said:

What are you talking about?

" For every non unique small ship of the same type equipped with this title, subtract 2 from your squad cost."

So if you are the only ship with the title, you reduce your cost by 2. If a friend has it, you reduce your cost by 4. If two friends have it, you reduce your cost by 6. If three is -8, four is -10, five is -12 and then you spam free TIES?

Your card is poorly worded.

How do you recommend I word it better?

"If another pilot of the same name has this upgrade equipped then reduce the cost of this ship by 2"

38 minutes ago, Jarval said:

I'm not sure we really need to see 21 point Warden Squadron K-Wings. The triple K-Wing lists around seem to be plenty strong enough as things stand...

There's no reason the hypothetical upgrade can't be limited to certain ships.

i like this idea simply because i tend to bring 2 generics rather than 1 name and 1 barebone. I like having repeat ships in my lists for some reason.

I like rewarding behavior. Give multiple same ship lists (4 or 5+) the ability to debuff on sequential shots or a soft defense bonus if the attacker is in a friendly arc. I'll not repost the TIE/Ln posts, but I detailed out a way this might work there

Ha, if this was a thing i could bring 4 T70 Blue Squad Novices with PA, R2, and IA lol. Exactly 100pts if this ever became a thing (108 otherwise)

6 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

Ha, if this was a thing i could bring 4 T70 Blue Squad Novices with PA, R2, and IA lol. Exactly 100pts if this ever became a thing (108 otherwise)

Not sure if that would be too much...

17 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

Ha, if this was a thing i could bring 4 T70 Blue Squad Novices with PA, R2, and IA lol. Exactly 100pts if this ever became a thing (108 otherwise)

I've ran that without PA, it was underwhelming, but maybe the same turn stress management could elevate it enough? Not sure though.