Theres an ally that states:
"Before combat: This ally may take 2 exhaustion to allow your hero to test lore 16. If you succeed you may ignore an enemys before combat ability."
How is this useful in any way? You resolve your opponents Before Combat ability first, then your own. So this ally will be useless?
Or is this an exception? Or do you do as the cards instruct, do all the effect for your opponents before combat ability, then rewind it like it did not happen? Unless you die or something...
I would guess that you perform your allies Before Combat Ability first. Otherwise this ability would indeed be useless.
Happy adventuring!
is this how you generally do it in each combat? That the allies goes first I mean. And a confirmation would be better than a "guess" so if anyone knows for sure...
abersen said:
I would guess that you perform your allies Before Combat Ability first. Otherwise this ability would indeed be useless.
Happy adventuring!
Your ally just takes the exhaustion to enable your hero to do the test. That means your hero is in fact using a Before Combat Ability and not the ally. My first post was a little "vague". Sorry!
abersen said:
Your ally just takes the exhaustion to enable your hero to do the test. That means your hero is in fact using a Before Combat Ability and not the ally. My first post was a little "vague". Sorry!
Thank you
This ally has become my absolute new fav "item" in the whole game. Makes red's super easy ^^
Just ran into this in a game tonight.
abersen said:
Your ally just takes the exhaustion to enable your hero to do the test. That means your hero is in fact using a Before Combat Ability and not the ally. My first post was a little "vague". Sorry!
But that doesn't solve the issue. The order is:
1) Challenge card's "Before Combat" ability.
2) Hero's and Allies' BC abilities and a single item's BC ability in the order you choose.
The hero isn't doing a BC ability, but a Spirit Lore test (allowed by the ally's BC ability). This test is still after the challenge's BC ability but before or after the hero's BC ability (if any).
So the question stands. Is Sage of the Strange's BC ability done before the challenge's or does it retroactivly undo it?
We ruled that it is an exception to the normal timing rules and takes place before the challenge's BC ability. But that's certainly not an official ruling, just a guess.
My guess is that you can "respond" to enemy "Before Combat" actions when they happen.
So, here it how it goes:
- Enemy starts to do something as his "Before Combat" action
- Your ally uses its ability to prevent this. If test succeeds, your ally will actually prevent enemy's action
- After all this, your allies and then your hero can do his own Before Combat action if any.
ishinken said:
Theres an ally that states:
"Before combat: This ally may take 2 exhaustion to allow your hero to test lore 16. If you succeed you may ignore an enemys before combat ability."
How is this useful in any way? You resolve your opponents Before Combat ability first, then your own. So this ally will be useless?
Or is this an exception? Or do you do as the cards instruct, do all the effect for your opponents before combat ability, then rewind it like it did not happen? Unless you die or something...
I think this Ally is more useful than he seems. The card doesn't say that you skip an Enemy Before Combat ability, it says you ignore it (= ignore the effects).
I would say this Ally might take Exhaustion and allow a test (not an easy one, Lore 16 is not an auto win except in the late game, and only for some Heroes) to completely ignore an Enemy Before Combat ability that was already resolved.
This means that you can see if the Before Combat harms your Hero in some way and after that you decide whether to use the Sage of the Strange ability or not.