"Make Destiny great again."

1 hour ago, WonderWAAAGH said:

"Make Destiny great again."

Or "Make Destiny Dead Again" That will totally be new sets name

Yes, when I was saying that the game is dying, I meant here locally - good catch all you who caught that. I do not speak on the behalf of everyone, just my local gaming club (not a store - just gaming) and it's hundreds of members. I started this place 26 years ago and have acquired a bit of know-how when it comes to how a game catches on and becomes popular. It is a relatively short list of demands that is needed to be fulfilled.

Not one of them says "The Game should be unavailable for the majority of potential players"

More than one thing can make a game 'unavailable' for a certain player - personal economy being one of the biggest culprits. Time constraints is another, be it strange working hours or an active home life.

One of the most important aspects when it comes to making a game successful in our community is that the right people, the natural leaders so to speak, picks it up and endorses it. This happened here and I was the driving force (as I usually am - that is my lot this late in my gaming life).

Destiny is a very fun game. Can be picked up by new and more experienced players equally. It has all the aspects of a game that can be a serious contender.

But - it - is - not - available when it needs to - i.e. in the beginning when the big dogs start playing it. And those same dogs like games with a big selection of opponents, regular tournaments (with booster prices at stake), OP events, championships. That means that those driving players will drop the game, leaving only a handful of dedicated players left. When the product is available at a later date, all those who was going to be the leaders of this new game has disappeared into another hot commodity that new players will select to play instead.

You see now what I mean by 'gamedeath'?

Oh well - unless our FLGS gets a serious amount of boxes in a few days, and runs a good discount on them, this game does not stand a snowballs chance in hell.

So, do I care that FFG has 'difficulties' with the dice manufacturing and that these issues can all be explained logistically? No. I don not sympathize at all really since there are perfectly valid alternatives. A solution could be; Use an American provider or a European one - stop with this obviously failed China experiment. Sure, the stuff comes Cheap-cheap-cheap, but you always get what you pay for - and in this case we got Nothing. Just a great game that failed from the beginning.

So, now, not only do you want product, you want it discounted.... Oh buddy boy.

13 hours ago, Mixxathon said:

Yes, when I was saying that the game is dying, I meant here locally - good catch all you who caught that. I do not speak on the behalf of everyone, just my local gaming club (not a store - just gaming) and it's hundreds of members. I started this place 26 years ago and have acquired a bit of know-how when it comes to how a game catches on and becomes popular. It is a relatively short list of demands that is needed to be fulfilled.

Not one of them says "The Game should be unavailable for the majority of potential players"

More than one thing can make a game 'unavailable' for a certain player - personal economy being one of the biggest culprits. Time constraints is another, be it strange working hours or an active home life.

One of the most important aspects when it comes to making a game successful in our community is that the right people, the natural leaders so to speak, picks it up and endorses it. This happened here and I was the driving force (as I usually am - that is my lot this late in my gaming life).

Destiny is a very fun game. Can be picked up by new and more experienced players equally. It has all the aspects of a game that can be a serious contender.

But - it - is - not - available when it needs to - i.e. in the beginning when the big dogs start playing it. And those same dogs like games with a big selection of opponents, regular tournaments (with booster prices at stake), OP events, championships. That means that those driving players will drop the game, leaving only a handful of dedicated players left. When the product is available at a later date, all those who was going to be the leaders of this new game has disappeared into another hot commodity that new players will select to play instead.

You see now what I mean by 'gamedeath'?

Oh well - unless our FLGS gets a serious amount of boxes in a few days, and runs a good discount on them, this game does not stand a snowballs chance in hell.

So, do I care that FFG has 'difficulties' with the dice manufacturing and that these issues can all be explained logistically? No. I don not sympathize at all really since there are perfectly valid alternatives. A solution could be; Use an American provider or a European one - stop with this obviously failed China experiment. Sure, the stuff comes Cheap-cheap-cheap, but you always get what you pay for - and in this case we got Nothing. Just a great game that failed from the beginning.

its a good thing your here to tell FFG how to run there business. I get the feeling your just complaining to complain. it takes time to make a good product. they could probly rush it then you could complain about the dice being crappy. or if the hurry it and don't get the right dice with the right card, that would be fun to complain about I bet. man I wish I had the time to care about minor things like you. I have a full time job and a family to take care of and if the worst thing to happen to me is my cards are 6 months late I would thank the gods. I just cant believe something that is supposed to be fun, can bring so much negativity. I hope you find something more important in your life, I relay do.

14 hours ago, Mixxathon said:

A solution could be; Use an American provider or a European one - stop with this obviously failed China experiment. Sure, the stuff comes Cheap-cheap-cheap, but you always get what you pay for - and in this case we got Nothing. Just a great game that failed from the beginning.

The fact that you think that's a solution shows you don't really know what you're talking about.

I appreciate that you're frustrated that you can't get product. FFG wants you to have product. They're doing everything in their power to make that happen. You can trust that they're doing it well because they're a successful game company who's been doing this awhile. Saying that they must be drooling buffoons who are totally inept, because it was logistically impossible to make it happen as fast as we all wanted it, is a pretty nonsensical stance.

On 17/02/2017 at 8:27 PM, Mixxathon said:

So, do I care that FFG has 'difficulties' with the dice manufacturing and that these issues can all be explained logistically? No. I don not sympathize at all really since there are perfectly valid alternatives. A solution could be; Use an American provider or a European one - stop with this obviously failed China experiment. Sure, the stuff comes Cheap-cheap-cheap, but you always get what you pay for - and in this case we got Nothing. Just a great game that failed from the beginning.

In the ideal world, big compagnies should give jobs to their own countrymen but in reality, chinesse agree to work for pratically nothing and customers are cheap. They want to always spend the less money possible. Dont blame FFG. Blame China for agreeing to be our labor slave.

On 2/14/2017 at 11:55 PM, LordFajubi said:

The midwest just outside Columbus Ohio seen a place in MI that plays but I haven't seen anything closer than that.

W have 4 stores in the Toledo area that play on a regular basis. Msg me and I'll let you know. Cleveland area also has2 that I know of and lower Michigan a bunch

I played eight games today, such a good time, game is ssssooooo not dead lol. None of us can get enough

10 hours ago, CBMarkham said:

The fact that you think that's a solution shows you don't really know what you're talking about.

I appreciate that you're frustrated that you can't get product. FFG wants you to have product. They're doing everything in their power to make that happen. You can trust that they're doing it well because they're a successful game company who's been doing this awhile. Saying that they must be drooling buffoons who are totally inept, because it was logistically impossible to make it happen as fast as we all wanted it, is a pretty nonsensical stance.

Yeah one of the best selling games of the winter with big casual level OP turnout in a number of areas, yuge catastrophic failure.

"Dead this game is not, Begun this community has"

My hype is kind of comatose right now. But if FFG would just release another SOR preview it would be back with a vengeance!

2 hours ago, dpb1298 said:

My hype is kind of comatose right now. But if FFG would just release another SOR preview it would be back with a vengeance!

This. I mean seriously, there are 160 cards in the set, would 5 more spoils kill ya? FFG thinks maybe a preview of some of the new cards will hurt sales of the current cards or something?

How long did people talk about the last set of spoils, minus the confusion over Ben's before ability? Two days?

It would at least give us something to talk about. Anything's better than the zilch we're currently getting. Plus it would distract people from the whole lack-of-supply fiasco.

one new card a weekday would be pretty coool

10 hours ago, dpb1298 said:

It would at least give us something to talk about. Anything's better than the zilch we're currently getting. Plus it would distract people from the whole lack-of-supply fiasco.

Think there is a lot to talk about. People just choose to talk about the supply issue.

3 hours ago, Keigi said:

Think there is a lot to talk about. People just choose to talk about the supply issue.

I haven't been talking about the supply issue. I already have the answers I need--More stock in April. I'd rather have new card spoilers to dissect. Unfortunately, FFG hasn't given us much to muse over, so people are complaining about not being able to buy anything in the meantime. FFG needs to get in here and direct the narrative a little better than they have been.

39 minutes ago, dpb1298 said:

I haven't been talking about the supply issue. I already have the answers I need--More stock in April. I'd rather have new card spoilers to dissect. Unfortunately, FFG hasn't given us much to muse over, so people are complaining about not being able to buy anything in the meantime. FFG needs to get in here and direct the narrative a little better than they have been.

If the boosters don't ship in the next few days you won't be seeing SoR until mid-May.

They could very well be on the boat, just the page isn't updated yet.

4 hours ago, WonderWAAAGH said:

If the boosters don't ship in the next few days you won't be seeing SoR until mid-May.

It takes about 6 weeks to go from shipping to sold! So we have a couple of weeks yet.

It takes at least 6 weeks on the boat, another to get to distributors, and one more beyond that to store shelves. It's always taken 8-10 weeks total, for at least as long as I've been on these boards.

I know that the OP here has gotten a lot of flak. I happen to be in the casual, Kitchen Table crowd.

I think one of the OP's best points was in his initial post: There are a LOT of games that are out, are coming out, kickstarters to back, etc. etc. While I do believe that Destiny is a LONG way from any sort of a death sentence, and like many have said, I am sure if FFG wishes they had shipping containers full of Destiny, but sadly they don't. My point being, that there is only so many of us gamers, there is only so much money, we are humans and VERY fickle, it is a bummer that there is not available product.

Will it/has it "hurt" the game? Probably in the short term. I hope not in the long term.