This. I recently checked Wookieepedia and the canon info page of the neb(which is shorter) has no info on the neb being an imperial ship, as compared to the legends page. Does this mean disney plans to make it a rebel/civilian ship in canon?

As you basically note - nothing "in canon" ever said the Nebulon-B was Imperial.

FWIW, 'canon' Star Wars has diverged in ship design very substantially from the EU. In the EU, it seemed most ships were centrally designed, but then many different worlds may have been building that type. That doesn't seem to be the case in 'canon' Star Wars - at least, near as I can tell, every distinct ship design comes from one specific planet.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/EF76_Nebulon-B_escort_frigate

This is the link i think.

It stills mentions that it came from Kuat

It has a bulbous design like the mc80 and the AF.

Also in rogue one we see like two more Nebs, one being snapped in half like a toothpick. So, I think at this point, they're a rebel ship.

Alt facts from our overlord disney.

Probably. While I love the ship, it always looked too fragile to inspire fear. I think it makes more sense as a flagship of a system defense fleet, lacking the ability to move massive amounts of troops, thus limiting it to patrol or picket.

You're getting things backwards here.

The Nebulon-B is pretty clearly an actual frigate, which is to say it was a cargo transport outfitted with guns and other equipment as necessary. Which means there was probably a non-combat version of the ship that could be rapidly converted to be a more dedicated combat ship.

While the original design does have defensive armaments, the actual hull design is clearly not intended for heavy combat with a long, poorly armored section between the primary bridge and crew areas in front and the power plant and engines at the rear. This is not the type of design a dedicated warship would have, as it makes even lucky hits against the center section a critical weak point that is often highly exposed to enemy ships and squadrons.

I don't think this was ever an Imperial warship design so much as it was a ship design used by Imperials for the same reason it was used by the Rebellion and New Republic: relatively cheap, decently armed, and easy to deploy in situations where a fully crewed ISD didn't make sense.

As far as Disney scrapping old EU lore about the ship, the only answer I can muster by now is Good Riddance. While there were certainly some gems in the old EU, there was also heaping piles of garbage all over that would have directly hindered opportunities to make new films especially if they didn't feature the original cast.

Well then, if this new canon maintains the neb as a purely civilian/rebel ship that would mean no more chance at one coming out for the imps. Not that I mind, im more concerned with ffg coming up with fresh waves that bring balance to the force, i mean game, while neutering power creep

"These versatile rebel cruisers were often used to escort rebel convoys, protecting ships from Imperial patrols with an array of powerful turbolasers and tractor beams..." Star Wars.com databank.

I never trust any 'pedia out there for anything that could remotely be called 'academic'. But as for the new canon, it seems that the Kuat thing might still be there, but they're not much of an Imperial frigate so much as a 'ship used by rebels against the empire, made by a not-crown corporation'. It is still called a frigate, so the cruiser thing feels odd. I'm all on board with CactusMan, The as much as there are aspects to the old EU that were gems and absolutely great, aaaand a ton that could charitably be called 'not great'. But that's the state of the Vermin Empire these days, 'tis to be expected. And I for one, welcome our flop earred rodent overlords.

16 minutes ago, Muelmuel said:

Well then, if this new canon maintains the neb as a purely civilian/rebel ship that would mean no more chance at one coming out for the imps. Not that I mind, im more concerned with ffg coming up with fresh waves that bring balance to the force, i mean, game while neutering power creep

Eh, I think it's more like they have enough material available to them through all the new media that they don't need to cannibalize ships from each faction.

Besides, is there really that much need for Imperials to have it? Another 3-red forward arc shooter with severe durability issues when flanked? The only big advantage that it has is the double brace. Maybe Tua and RBD would be a nice addition, but Imperials are hardly screaming for the ship hull itself.

55 minutes ago, thecactusman17 said:

The Nebulon-B is pretty clearly an actual frigate, which is to say it was a cargo transport outfitted with guns and other equipment as necessary. Which means there was probably a non-combat version of the ship that could be rapidly converted to be a more dedicated combat ship.

While the original design does have defensive armaments, the actual hull design is clearly not intended for heavy combat with a long, poorly armored section between the primary bridge and crew areas in front and the power plant and engines at the rear. This is not the type of design a dedicated warship would have, as it makes even lucky hits against the center section a critical weak point that is often highly exposed to enemy ships and squadrons.

The Nebulon B does fit the role of "escort" frigate rather well. Large communications array, narrow forward profile, relatively large engine block to the size. It was never meant to be a mainline warship, but a light patrol element for larger ships and convoys. It has the firepower to take on fighters, pirates, and other smaller ships, and the engines and narrow profile to try to avoid larger main-line warships. The Rebels pressed it into more active combat service because they didn't have many alternatives. Once Mon Cal cruisers show up, they tend to move Nebulons to support roles.

it will be in rebels we might see then

Nothing contradicts the existing old fluff that it was a imperial warship.

I know a lot of people like the factions to be divers and to have unique ships, but to me that really dont fits the Galactic Civil War theme. I like the idea that there are plenty of Nebulon-B frigates out there, some of them in rebel hands (fitting to capture such small ships) and many somewhere on boring convoy duty out there in the galaxy for the Empire.

And remeber even in the new materials the Nebulon-K are imperial ships.

3 hours ago, MajorWesJanson said:

The Nebulon B does fit the role of "escort" frigate rather well. Large communications array, narrow forward profile, relatively large engine block to the size. It was never meant to be a mainline warship, but a light patrol element for larger ships and convoys. It has the firepower to take on fighters, pirates, and other smaller ships, and the engines and narrow profile to try to avoid larger main-line warships. The Rebels pressed it into more active combat service because they didn't have many alternatives. Once Mon Cal cruisers show up, they tend to move Nebulons to support roles.

it's funny because I always thought that escort ships are meant to guard the flanks of their lead ship, but the nebby itself dies quickly to flanking. On a side note, since they have a supposedly well-furnished communications array, it would be nice to see editions/expansions to it that expand on that, other than just boosted comms.

Edit: it can't even carry boosted comms. The horror

They are all Imperial ships, as they were all built within the Empire.

Some are just being used for illegal purposes.

'Built by Kuat Drive Yards...' KDY also builds ships on Imperial contract ISD's and as well as other ship classes. It's reasonable to assume that the Empire purchased Neb-B's as convoy escorts, as well as being sold to Pro-Empire systems for self-defense and they just so happened to have fallen into Rebel hands through the usual means (capture, theft etc)

24 minutes ago, Democratus said:

They are all Imperial ships, as they were all built within the Empire.

Some are just being used for illegal purposes.

Your loyalty to the Empire has been noted by the ISB.

Even though I'm a Legends EU supporter, I won't be too upset if they alter the Neb-B lore to Rebel only. It is an iconic Rebel ship that fits the rebel aesthetic.

As far as the Cruiser/Frigate wording; Lucasfilm likes throwing the word Cruiser around a lot. The Consular Class is a Cruiser, the CR-90 is now an Alderaan Cruiser. I think this is less about a fleet role or weight class, and more in keeping with its original usage: A Cruiser is a ship that can operate independently, on long range missions. Historically Frigates and sloops would carry out Cruiser missions. Think about it, there are police cruisers... doesn't mean they huge heavily armed and armored warships.

23 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

Even though I'm a Legends EU supporter, I won't be too upset if they alter the Neb-B lore to Rebel only. It is an iconic Rebel ship that fits the rebel aesthetic.

As far as the Cruiser/Frigate wording; Lucasfilm likes throwing the word Cruiser around a lot. The Consular Class is a Cruiser, the CR-90 is now an Alderaan Cruiser.

Indeed, I wish many franchises would pay more attention to what classifications/designations actually mean.

Interesting catch, and good news as far as I'm concerned. Anything that will back people off from demanding dual faction ships in Armada is a plus, IMHO.

The Neb was actually not an Imperial Naval ship, so stop asking for a ship card for it. Sorry, not sorry.

Kuat is a major galactic shipyards and I imagine they don't only produce military starships. If Nebulon B's are still originally from Kuat then they probably originated as a civilian cargo ship for private companies and corporations not nationalized by the Empire.

I honestly don't know if I dig them ever being intended as an Imperial warship. Cargo ship once upon a time, maybe. So if they aren't Imperial i'm not upset or concerned at all.

We all know they are modified Temple Class Freighters, (yes, this was a real design printed in one of the FFG RPG's)

12 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

We all know they are modified Temple Class Freighters, (yes, this was a real design printed in one of the FFG RPG's)

The FFG RPG isn't exactly EU or Newcanon though - it draws from both - but when it creates ideas of its own, those ideas generally don't go on either the Wookieepedia canon page or the Wookieepedia EU page.

Think of it as an entity all to itself - one that doesn't dictate to either the newcanon or the EU.

I know. I was being facetious.

I've never been sure whether the Temple Class should be considered bizarre or just lazy.

1 hour ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

I know. I was being facetious.

I've never been sure whether the Temple Class should be considered bizarre or just lazy.

Or maybe neither? I think their intent was to explain why the Nebulon B looks the way it does and nothing more. If its part of worldbuilding its certainly not lazy.

Ever since the new canon has taken shape, I've heard alot of people say the EU is bad like this and like that. But the same people never tells exactly specifically what the disliked about the EU.

Read all the X-wing novels, all the books with Thrawn in them (whannebe Thrawns as well) and more, though I didn't read that many of the comics, so I have no idea about them.

Admittedly I found most stories or side stories that focused to much on the Jedi a bit borring, so I lowed more the stories about Space Naval action and Starfighter dogfights.

Anyhow just currious to know why people sort of dislike the EU, short of hating it like Jar Jar.