3 minutes ago, flightmaster101 said:

I was in the EU since Timmothy Zainadine kicked it off.

You mean headed it off?

34 minutes ago, idiewell said:

Sorry but i just don't think EVERY ship in the Imperial fleet needs to be a flying wedge. If you like the wedges, good for you, though.

Yeah, I mean it's not like the Empire is about conformity and emphasizes a greater whole over individuality or anything.

Did you also complain when TIE pilot helmets looked like Stormtrooper helmets with hoses on?

*double post*

10 hours ago, idiewell said:

Sorry but i just don't think EVERY ship in the Imperial fleet needs to be a flying wedge. If you like the wedges, good for you, though.

You must hate Star Trek designs then.

Why does every starfleet vessel have to have a saucer ? Or why does every Klingon ship have to have a head connected to a bulkier body by a thinner neck? Cardassians sure love the teardrop shape. Ferengi are so boring, every ship is fomed around a crescent? (mind you im being sarcastic.)

Point is your griping about a shape then can be incorporated into many designs very differently. Besides the OSD and VSD which still look significantly different, all of the Imperial ships are distinct but all embrace the wedge, triangle. Thats how you create cohesion.

13 hours ago, Forresto said:

How is it lazy? Its called a design motif and so far the only two star destroyers that look in any way similar are the ISD and VSD, and the VSD is an EU ship.

How is it lazy to make every ship a perpendicular bridge with domes of varying sizes attached to a larger triangle?

8 minutes ago, FourDogsInaHorseSuit said:

How is it lazy to make every ship a perpendicular bridge with domes of varying sizes attached to a larger triangle?

What are you asking? Cause that is the EU in a nutshell. In Disney canon the new ships at least are different from eachother and not just variations of an ISD.

A VSD isnt lazy by the merit its entire existance is meant to be a predecessor to the ISD. So of course it will look essentially the same. its worldbuilding. Other EU destroyers though are pretty jank.

1 minute ago, Forresto said:

What are you asking? Cause that is the EU in a nutshell. In Disney canon the new ships at least are different from eachother and not just variations of an ISD.

A VSD isnt lazy by the merit its entire existance is meant to be a predecessor to the ISD. So of course it will look essentially the same. its worldbuilding. Other EU destroyers though are pretty jank.

No it's not. The EU is full of ships that are different and unique from both sides of the GCW. In the Disney canon these ships are slowly being reintroduced, but now they're all rebel. And the actual new stuff is just the old stuff resized. Like the Raider, which I actually don't hate*, is simply a smaller star destroyer. Nebulon-B's losing their Imperial origins is an example of moving this Rebels/Imperials line to seperate all things not Star Destroyer from the imperials.

*I mean outside of the game. In Armada I hate it, and it's utter trash.

1 hour ago, FourDogsInaHorseSuit said:

No it's not. The EU is full of ships that are different and unique from both sides of the GCW. In the Disney canon these ships are slowly being reintroduced, but now they're all rebel. And the actual new stuff is just the old stuff resized. Like the Raider, which I actually don't hate*, is simply a smaller star destroyer. Nebulon-B's losing their Imperial origins is an example of moving this Rebels/Imperials line to seperate all things not Star Destroyer from the imperials.

*I mean outside of the game. In Armada I hate it, and it's utter trash.

That is true but you're discounting the dozens and dozens of small variations throughout the EU of slightly different ISDs. The fact that one of the major types of interdictor was literally an ISD with grav well balls is telling.

3 hours ago, FourDogsInaHorseSuit said:

How is it lazy to make every ship a perpendicular bridge with domes of varying sizes attached to a larger triangle?

The same way it's lazy to give every WW2 ship a radar tower, a deck, etc?

The Empire follows a cohesive theme. It's the REBEL fleet that's supposed to look slapdash and cobbled together from civilian vessels.

1 hour ago, Benjan Meruna said:

The same way it's lazy to give every WW2 ship a radar tower, a deck, etc?

The Empire follows a cohesive theme. It's the REBEL fleet that's supposed to look slapdash and cobbled together from civilian vessels.

Even for a single faction, there are consistent design aspects, for aesthetic or technical reasons.

For example, the Japanese navy was fond of forward smoke stacks that curved back. The identification charts for naval personnel had a mnemonic "The Jap[anese] stack is fat and falling back!".

16 hours ago, thecactusman17 said:

You mean headed it off?

Thank goodness for my IPad's autocorrect. If not for apple I might get a proper noun right once in a while. :/

3 hours ago, Benjan Meruna said:

The same way it's lazy to give every WW2 ship a radar tower, a deck, etc?

The Empire follows a cohesive theme. It's the REBEL fleet that's supposed to look slapdash and cobbled together from civilian vessels.

Or actual Rebel warships from one member world, that could only build a few of them, to aesthetics by the race who lived on that world.

I.e. the Mon Cals would, as stated many times, convert/refit their space exploration ships, passenger ships etc, to vessels for combat, but when you are at war, wouldn't some designer at the Mon Cal shipyard eventually say: hey we will soon run out of ships to convert/refit for combat, what about we start to make real warships from the keel up, based on combat experiance gained in the field (the field being space, if anyone ask)

Off cause they will start of with something not to big, but which always would be in great demand of, such as gunships, corvettes and small frigates, before they move on to bigger ships in cruiser size.

On the other end of the scale some Rebel cells, would plan and execute an operation, where actual smaller or mid size warships is captured/stolen from the Empire. Like in the good old age of sail where one frigate/sloop would capture an enemy frigate as a prize.

In other words not all rebel vessels should be exploration ships, passenger ships etc refitted for combat, some should also be actual warships build from the keel up as a warship.

32 minutes ago, Kiwi Rat said:

Or actual Rebel warships from one member world, that could only build a few of them, to aesthetics by the race who lived on that world.

What world builds Nebulon Bs?

What world builds Corellian Corvettes and gunships? (Not a trick question)

What world builds GR transports?

What world builds Dauntless cruisers?

To suggest that Mon Cal suppies the majority of the rebel fleet is laughable at best.

Edit: and I'm fine with all Mon Cal ships sharing an aesthetic, of course. But it's not true across the board for Rebels like it is for the Empire.

20 hours ago, thecactusman17 said:

This is true, but what you do need is a consistent design ethos. Remember, the Imperial Navy is an actual fully functional professional military force. They have important design elements that are uniform to their ships, squadrons, and soldiers. Even the humble little Gozanti Light Cruiser has a certain angular wedge shape to it that identifies it as part of the Imperial fleet. the Lambda Shuttle also has certain elements that speak to the idea of the wedge shape without actually using it.

Also, in space, the wedge shape has direct combat advantages. It can allow for the focusing of nearly all major firepower towards certain points while allowing point defense systems nearly free LOS to all areas above the hull plane. It offers a certain degree of aerodynamic stability when operating in an atmosphere. And of course, the consistent design of Imperial ships enforces the concept that the professional, precise Imperial Navy is fully equipped to take on all comers, especially when several nearly identical warships hyperspace into a system simultaneously.

All valid points, Cactusman. Guess i was just a lil snarky when i posted yesterday lol.

9 hours ago, Forresto said:

You must hate Star Trek designs then.

Why does every starfleet vessel have to have a saucer ? Or why does every Klingon ship have to have a head connected to a bulkier body by a thinner neck? Cardassians sure love the teardrop shape. Ferengi are so boring, every ship is fomed around a crescent? (mind you im being sarcastic.)

Point is your griping about a shape then can be incorporated into many designs very differently. Besides the OSD and VSD which still look significantly different, all of the Imperial ships are distinct but all embrace the wedge, triangle. Thats how you create cohesion.

Ok i wave the white flag lol.