So I've just got a quick-and-easy question that is probably dependent on the local meta and player base. But what is the general consensus on using proxies in casual Armada play? I've seen some folks using alternate ship models, but what about proxied upgrade cards etc?

You said it yourself, its Casual.

Casual is pretty much "Whatever your opponent says is cool", and thus, trying to make a hard and fast judgement ot apply to casual play is... not Casual

No problem at all in casual play. Lets you see if you like that 8xCR90B Engine Tech Rieekan swarm before you buys them...

In my mind if it's casual poxies should always, be allowed. Casual play is a place to see if something is worth buying. I usually have the ships so I only proxi upgrade cards though. Seams like it would be hard to proxi ships with there arch's and everything.

Ok, that's what I was thinking, but always good to check. Thanks folks!

Proxied ships? Printed-out lists with no upgrade cards at all? 3D printed custom models? Ridiculously OP homebrew scenario with an army of grey-side Jedi Mandalorian cyborgs? It's all good.

Now I want Grey-Jedi Mandalorian Cyborgs....RPG goals

I don't even mind alternate ship models in tourneys, so long as they are not easily confused with another ship. Cards though need to be original in tournies.

Friendly games, go nuts, print a list proxy cards etc, etc.

I'm fine with proxies in casual play, with one caveat. We have to have access to at least one physical copy of the card in order to make sure it's worded/played correctly. Even if you just have screen caps from Armada warlords, it's fine. I just want to see the text on the card rather than scribbled notes. I've actually seen Gunnery Teams jotted down as "attack twice from same arc". It was even odd that the person was proxying Gunnery Teams since it comes in the core and...what, 3 different expansions?

Proxies of unreleased stuff is a little more problematic. Look at the alterations from initial Sato to final release Sato for an example. I would probably be fine with it in a completely fun casual game, but only if the entire text of the card was officially spoiled by FFG.

Proxied upgrade cards and squadrons and the like are pretty easy to handle and I don't mind those one bit in a casual game.

Proxied ship bases get a lot more problematic because those arc lines are very important. I feel a bit less comfortable with those but it would depend on the specifics, really.

Just now, Snipafist said:

Proxied upgrade cards and squadrons and the like are pretty easy to handle and I don't mind those one bit in a casual game.

Proxied ship bases get a lot more problematic because those arc lines are very important. I feel a bit less comfortable with those but it would depend on the specifics, really.

I proxied GR-75's before release with Nebulon bases (they're very close, and it matters very little on the transports anyway...).

I also proxied a liberty before release by printing out a guesstimate from... I think it was Vassal, or maybe just a rando on the internet. You just scale it, print it out, tape it over a real token, and use it that way. It's definitely far from perfect, but for testing unavailable stuff, it works alright.

Obviously something that sketchy you'll want to pre-coordinate with your opponent though: "hey, I want to test some spoiled ships, you down?"

1 minute ago, Ardaedhel said:

I proxied GR-75's before release with Nebulon bases (they're very close, and it matters very little on the transports anyway...).

I also proxied a liberty before release by printing out a guesstimate from... I think it was Vassal, or maybe just a rando on the internet. You just scale it, print it out, tape it over a real token, and use it that way. It's definitely far from perfect, but for testing unavailable stuff, it works alright.

Obviously something that sketchy you'll want to pre-coordinate with your opponent though: "hey, I want to test some spoiled ships, you down?"

What about ships still under NDA? That sounds like more fun.

It does. Can't say as I've ever been privy to anything like that though.

As many proxy upgrade cards as you want. Print out please though.

Proxy ship only if you are trying something fun.

I have played with paper fighters stuck on a base. no problem at all.

I'm funny-i only use the cards that i have. At times it can be annoying, as i'd love flight controllers or expanded launchers, but alas we don't have them in the Rebel Alliance (until we can steal them from you well-supplied Impies). But when i play causal games, i got no problem with someone using proxies. Let's have a good, friendly game and may the better admiral win

Never played with printed out card jpg's to enable more copies than I have expansions for. Nope, never......

Never been a thing Ive seen in Armada, except for cases like 'I dont have/cant find/ my 2nd/3rd copy of this upgrade card. Its on this ship, is that okay?" Which is never a problem.

But that being said, Id probably do a one time on any random upgrade or ship that was made up, as long as it didnt scream 'uncaringly rude levels of imbalance' like 12 front red and 8 front black dice on a 75pt model or other silliness. 2nd time would depend more on whether it seemed balanced as we talked it over after the game.

For casual play, as long as you have the card printed for reference, it's fine.

19 hours ago, Alzer said:

So I've just got a quick-and-easy question that is probably dependent on the local meta and player base. But what is the general consensus on using proxies in casual Armada play? I've seen some folks using alternate ship models, but what about proxied upgrade cards etc?

A flat "no" on proxied ships, since you can't really proxy the arcs.

As for cards, understand they're nessessary but I still hate it.

In general, I have no problem with proxies. I was a little annoyed once with a guy who came to play at my flgs with a list printed out on a sheet of paper because "he didn't like all the fiddly bits". Personally, I never saw the upgrade cards as fiddly bits. I said it was fine, but shortly into the game realized the reason he printed it out was because he wanted to run 4-5 copies of APT. Again, I'm fine with proxies for trying out experiments, so this wouldn't have been a big deal if the guy had just came out and said I'm proxying APTs. But...if you're doing that you should give your opponent a heads up in case they have a list with lots of APTs or TRCs or something they might want to try out too. Seems a little more fair to me. Also, I found it surprisingly difficult to keep an eye on what his fleet was up to when I had to either cross the table or pick up his fleet list page constantly to see what I was dealing with rather than just looking at the cards across the table.

Anyway, it was a casual game and not really a big deal, but it left a bad taste in my mouth.