Ok guys I try to summarize for my own little head full of uselessness :

1) I rinse my minis before priming them

(with cold or warm water ?)

2) I prime them

(in black ? in White ? - I used to prime in black but if you have other ideas)

3) I basecoat them

4) I layer them

5) I shade them

6) I leave them drying.

7) I throw them to my dog to see if He like the new paints I've put on my skeletons (never mind)

8) I play with them.

Did I miss something ?

1 minute ago, Elrad said:

Ok guys I try to summarize for my own little head full of uselessness :

1) I rinse my minis before priming them

(with cold or warm water ?)

2) I prime them

(in black ? in White ? - I used to prime in black but if you have other ideas)

3) I basecoat them

4) I layer them

5) I shade them

6) I leave them drying.

7) I throw them to my dog to see if He like the new paints I've put on my skeletons (never mind)

8) I play with them.

Did I miss something ?

Perhaps:

9) Coat of varnish to protect the paintjob.

1 minute ago, Muz333 said:

Perhaps:

9) Coat of varnish to protect the paintjob.

Oh yeah varnish of course. Matt one or shining one ? remember the stealer at the gameworkshop store from Brussels telling me to use a matt varnish...

11 minutes ago, Elrad said:

Ok guys I try to summarize for my own little head full of uselessness :

1) I rinse my minis before priming them

(with cold or warm water ?)

2) I prime them

(in black ? in White ? - I used to prime in black but if you have other ideas)

3) I basecoat them

4) I layer them

5) I shade them

6) I leave them drying.

7) I throw them to my dog to see if He like the new paints I've put on my skeletons (never mind)

8) I play with them.

Did I miss something ?

1) I wash in warm water

2) I prime in white because I like vibrant colors that pop. I need fewer coats for the colors to shine through if I use white.

9) For varnish, I use matte varnish and satin varnish. The varnish I use always has a bit of shine to it, so I use matte for flesh and cloth and I use satin varnish for metal armor and weapons. I haven't tried gloss, but I'm afraid gloss will be too shiny for my tastes.

6 minutes ago, Budgernaut said:

1) I wash in warm water

2) I prime in white because I like vibrant colors that pop. I need fewer coats for the colors to shine through if I use white.

9) For varnish, I use matte varnish and satin varnish. The varnish I use always has a bit of shine to it, so I use matte for flesh and cloth and I use satin varnish for metal armor and weapons. I haven't tried gloss, but I'm afraid gloss will be too shiny for my tastes.

And, recall me (yeah, getting old makes my memory vanish every once and then...too often for my own good I think...), what trade do you use for your primer ? Because I used to use Citadel but I'm a bit on the fence to move to other products.

3 minutes ago, Elrad said:

And, recall me (yeah, getting old makes my memory vanish every once and then...too often for my own good I think...), what trade do you use for your primer ? Because I used to use Citadel but I'm a bit on the fence to move to other products.

I use Vallejo premium white primer. It was the only brush-on primer I could find in my area. A lot of people recommend gesso, but I could never get it to work right.

I use GW white primer for brighter coloured miniatures and black for darker coloured miniatures and for varnish i use vallejo matt varnish, i don't want my models shiny but you could use it if you want parts of the model (the armour for example) to shine.

And i shade after basecoating before highlighting/layering, i would recommend it that way if you are using washes for shading.

11 minutes ago, Iceeagle85 said:

I use GW white primer for brighter coloured miniatures and black for darker coloured miniatures and for varnish i use vallejo matt varnish, i don't want my models shiny but you could use it if you want parts of the model (the armour for example) to shine.

And i shade after basecoating before highlighting/layering, i would recommend it that way if you are using washes for shading.

i still have some inks and they don't look totally dead but why do you shade before layering ? Don't your shade disappear under the new layers of paint ?

The shade stays in the deepest parts of the model...makes a nice contrast

18 minutes ago, Joker2007 said:

The shade stays in the deepest parts of the model...makes a nice contrast

Indeed, shading is for the deepest recessions on the model so that they look darker, layering is for the highest/most prominent parts of the model, as far as i know you are trying to mimick how light would play on a surface, take a look at a coat or pullover, the depest ressesions look sligthly darker and the prominent parts look slightly brighter.

And inks and washes can be "dirty" (sorry don't know the proper word) considering their very fluid nature so they can get to places where you dont want them, that is why you should use inks/washes before you layer. Drybrushing is also a "dirty" technique and can get colour on places you don't want to have it so if possible do it as early as possible.

How... thanks for the painting lessons guys. I owe you one. I think my minis will look somehow better. Will have to credit you for this

I like to dry brush after I varnish, while its still just the tiniest bit tacky on the outside. It reduces some of the strange highlights and spectrum you get with a varnish and makes it look more natural and real. If you are looking for a cheap drybrushing option, get some cheap earth-tone pastel paint sticks, emulsify the color you plan to use with a little water or painting oils in a tray or dish, then drybrush on using a thick non-painting brush (an old small makeup brush works great, though they have painting brushes made for this too.

I would say the minimum I would want to do is wash (I forgot to mention that critical step), primer, basecoat, main them color, secondary theme color, flesh and major details (minimum colors), then a quick shade/wash, last a varnish to seal it all. If you are really desperate, you could probably just do wash, primer, main color, second color, quickshade and trust the shade to fix things. But most of the time this is not going to make your arm much more than playable.

I must confess that I usually varnish after the quickshade and call it done. :/ I think the only highlights I've done is on my stormtroopers because the wash made them look too dirty. And I put a light brown drybrush over the Wookiee fur. Part of me wants to go further with my Runewars figures, but time is tight so I'll probably go for "barely passable" paint jobs again.

I'm a quick painter, and I plan on painting up my undead all rag-tag and multicolored. They won't have a standard uniform

I'm thinking maybe even the same thing for the humans. Everyone with their own shield, their own set of armor. OK, maybe not for the humans, but I like a little variety in my soldiers!

4 hours ago, pancakeonions said:

I'm a quick painter, and I plan on painting up my undead all rag-tag and multicolored. They won't have a standard uniform

I'm thinking maybe even the same thing for the humans. Everyone with their own shield, their own set of armor. OK, maybe not for the humans, but I like a little variety in my soldiers!

Oh you're so right...

I plan on painting and basing my undead a bit more colourful than what every minis producer wants us to make...I mean this is your army, if you want your skeletons to shine like a Christmas Tree, just go on. the first game who taught me that skeletons weren't all grey was Diablo II. That was a festival in that game : grey, white, red, purple, green...a true rainbow, a real fashion week ! except for you, the player, because each colour meant a greater enemy, of greater strength and buffed with insane HP and Stats...memories...

Not that my undeads will look like the neon lights of Vegas or else, but more colorful than boned taints.

11 hours ago, Elrad said:

Ok chicos que tratan de resumir para mi pequeña cabeza llena de inutilidad:

1) enjuago mis minis antes de imprimar ellas

(Con agua fría o caliente?)

2) Me primer ellas

(En ***** en blanco -?? Solía privilegiada en *****, pero si usted tiene otras ideas)

3) Les BaseCoat

4) que la capa de ellos

5) Me sombrearlas

6) dejo que se sequen.

7) las tiro a mi perro para ver si le gusta las nuevas pinturas que he puesto en mis esqueletos (no importa)

8) Juego con ellos.

Me he perdido algo ?

1) I have never washed, cleaned burrs and used green putty for the holes

2) Human = White, Undead = Black

6)

7) YESSSSSSSSSSS

8) YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Did I miss something ? Buy brushes

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56 minutes ago, maul said:

1) I have never washed, cleaned burrs and used green putty for the holes

2) Human = White, Undead = Black

6)

7) YESSSSSSSSSSS

8) YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Did I miss something ? Buy brushes

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is taht something funny about step 6 ?

Probably because letting them dry is such a obvious step

Correct

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5 hours ago, Iceeagle85 said:

Probably because letting them dry is such a obvious step

1 hour ago, maul said:

Correct

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Guys it is obvious for most among us here but never forget that you are never too clear for everybody (and especially me...) so I was mentioning it to not forget it myself... because I am never too awakened when at work with something (serious or not by the way... and coffee doesn't help much because I can't drink it past the first cup...and it still depends on the coffee quality...-Cola zero can do the job but I can still snore after two cans...)

It was just a joke Elrad (btw I liked you old picture better ) and yes a good beginner guide probably also mentions the obvious just to be sure.

I know it was a joke, don't worry ^^ I don't need a smiley to detect humor

I'm joking also when i say that the most obvious step must be enlisted because it's sure that not having your minis drying is more than a stupid decision... it is unconsciousness or total mental disability.... or simply not knowing how things work in painting... yeah maybe this last one is more relevant for 90% of the peoples that being good for the Asylum (Arkham Asylum, of course).

EDIT : And @Iceeagle85 you were right I prefer this avatar. I was wanting some change but too colorful portrait is a bit strange now that I've been using this one for years

Hey there,

I have one question regarding a thing that I ignore if Runewar will have : transfers... Do you think they will have some ? To me I have never been able to apply a transfer on a mini, never felt at ease with it and my previous gameworkshop stealer didn't help me a lot : just giving me three steps with a bunch of citadel paints or I don't know what and that's it. Does someone use those transfers ? Because I've got an entire collection of nerver used transfers hidden in a wooden chest with the inscription "Vade retro satanas" written on it burried deep down in my garden .

I haven't seen any transfer sheets from FFG but they're not too hard to apply. For best results I would recommend a brush on gloss varnish to start with. Then use microset and microsol to apply them. A matte varnish spray will bring it all together at the end.

On a flat surface you don't really need the micro stuff but it still helps. On curved or irregular surfaces they're pretty essential to getting good results.

29 minutes ago, Dosiere said:

I haven't seen any transfer sheets from FFG but they're not too hard to apply. For best results I would recommend a brush on gloss varnish to start with. Then use microset and microsol to apply them. A matte varnish spray will bring it all together at the end.

On a flat surface you don't really need the micro stuff but it still helps. On curved or irregular surfaces they're pretty essential to getting good results.

thanks. Didn't know those miscroscale products, I learned something, thanks