What is the consensus since the FAQ version that included the "Revealing Red Maneuvers while stressed has you perform a 2 straight white" rule?
Does the ship go 2 straight?
Does your opponent get to choose a legal maneuver on your dial?
I'm thinking the second option, since the first is specific to "Revealing Red Maneuvers while stressed" situations.
It looks like the only thing that the white 2-straight replacement move get's used for is revealing a red maneuver while stressed. Your opponent still selects a maneuver for you if you assign a straight maneuver to a ship with Shaken Pilot, assign a ship the wrong dial set to a maneuver (speed and bearing combination) that isn't on its actual dial, etc.
And, according to the FAQ, if you use Saboteur to flip "Thrust Control Fire" face-up while the ship has a red maneuver on the dial already assigned to it.
On 2/12/2017 at 4:57 AM, WWHSD said:It looks like the only thing that the white 2-straight replacement move get's used for is revealing a red maneuver while stressed. Your opponent still selects a maneuver for you if you assign a straight maneuver to a ship with Shaken Pilot, assign a ship the wrong dial set to a maneuver (speed and bearing combination) that isn't on its actual dial, etc.
Point me to that.
Ill save you the trouble: its not there anymore. Case in question IS NOT COVERED IN CURRENT RULES since the update.
So we use what we have currently- only covered illegal maneuver case is 2s on reds, so we use 2s on other illegal maneuvers.
YES I KNOW ITS NOT IT THE RULES. But point me to such a case that is...
However, you can legally perform a 2-straight even if you have a "Shaken Pilot" crit. All you need to do is dial in a red maneuver while stressed.
Edited by debilerI don't mean to hijack this thread, but on a related situation...If a ship has shaken pilot and I dial in a K-turn, what happens?
You do a K turn.
Straight is a different bearing than K turn.
Thanks...I knew I should have called a judge....grr.
Though it is no longer explicitly in the rules, I would suggest that there is enough within the spirit of the rules to discern intent.
From the FAQ:
QuoteAssigning Incorrect Ship Dials
If a player assigns the wrong ship dial to his ship (for example, assigning a B-wing dial to an X-wing), when he reveals the dial he must inform his opponent of the error. If the revealed maneuver is a legal maneuver for that ship (for example, the revealed B-wing dial shows a red [↑ 4] maneuver, a maneuver whose bearing and speed also appears on the X-wing ship dial), it is executed with the proper difficulty of the maneuver (in this example, white). If the revealed maneuver is not a legal maneuver for that ship (for example, the B-wing dial shows a red [↑ 1] maneuver, a maneuver that does not appear on the X-wing ship dial), the player’s opponent chooses which legal maneuver from that ship’s actual dial that ship will perform.
QuoteIllegal Dial
If a player reveals a dial that is stuck between two different maneuvers in such a way that it is impossible to determine which maneuver was selected, the player’s opponent chooses which of those two maneuvers that ship will perform.
In both cases, the opponent chooses the manoeuvre to be resolved. In the latter case, the choice is limited to what the player's choice could have been, but in both cases the erring player forgoes any right to make a choice. I believe this should be the baseline for any revealed manoeuvre that is not legal to set, such as Shaken Pilot. The difference is that setting a red manoeuvre when stressed is not illegal. Performing a red manoeuvre while stressed is illegal. Setting a dial to straight while affected by Shaken Pilot is, however, illegal. treating it as if you revealed a dial with a manoeuvre that ship is not capable of, as per the rules above, seems the option most consistent with both the previous and current spirit of the rules.
And for what it's worth, I have made this mistake myself and suggested to the TO that my dial should be passed to my opponent to set. I am consistent if nothing else 
I had this happen to me in a tournament this past weekend. Forgot the crit, dialed in a straight maneuver, and wasn't sure what to do. Judge, who is a very expderienced player, ruled my opponent chose my dial.
I guess there needs to be clarification on this.
Just now, USCGrad90 said:I had this happen to me in a tournament this past weekend. Forgot the crit, dialed in a straight maneuver, and wasn't sure what to do. Judge, who is a very expderienced player, ruled my opponent chose my dial.
I guess there needs to be clarification on this.
It's exactly how things used to be before the change to red manoeuvres and stress.
20 minutes ago, InquisitorM said:used to
13 hours ago, Vitalis said:
... And what part of the FAQ about red maneuvers while stressed makes you think it applies to anything other than red maneuvers while stressed??
"A stressed ship cannot execute red maneuvers or perform actions. If a stressed ship reveals a red maneuver (and cannot use a game effect to rotate its dial or execute a non-red maneuver instead), the owner moves the ship as if it were a white [? 2] maneuver instead. The speed, bearing, and difficulty of this maneuver cannot be changed."
2 hours ago, Klutz said:
... And what part of the FAQ about red maneuvers while stressed makes you think it applies to anything other than red maneuvers while stressed??
"A stressed ship cannot execute red maneuvers or perform actions. If a stressed ship reveals a red maneuver (and cannot use a game effect to rotate its dial or execute a non-red maneuver instead), the owner moves the ship as if it were a white [? 2] maneuver instead. The speed, bearing, and difficulty of this maneuver cannot be changed."
The part that is no longer there 
1 minute ago, Vitalis said:The part that is no longer there
Well I'm confused. This is from the FAQ version 4.2.3 currently on FFG's website...
2 minutes ago, Klutz said:Well I'm confused. This is from the FAQ version 4.2.3 currently on FFG's website...
Yes, but the part about any other illegal maneuvers are gone. It used to be just "illegal maneuvers", now this bullet applies only to reds while stressed. Thats the part that is gone.
Edited by Vitalis7 minutes ago, Vitalis said:Yes, but the part about any other illegal maneuvers are gone. It used to be just "illegal maneuvers", now this bullet applies only to reds while stressed. Thats the part that is gone.
Ok, so you're saying that:
Is that correct?
If it is, then I agree it's not covered by the rules, but as a TO I would rule it as InquisitorM described.
17 minutes ago, Klutz said:Ok, so you're saying that:
- Red maneuver while stressed = Execute 2 straight white
- Wrong dial = Execute maneuver if it's legal, otherwise opponent selects legal maneuver.
- Illegal dial (between values) = Opponent selects which of the 2 maneuvers to perform
- Straight maneuver to Shaken Pilot = Unknown, not covered by rules
Is that correct?
If it is, then I agree it's not covered by the rules, but as a TO I would rule it as InquisitorM described.
So the only actual change to any illegal manoeuvres is the red while stressed one. Vitalis' belief that other illegal manoeuvre sections of the rules or FAQ have now been removed is not quite correct as they are still in the FAQ, but were never in the rules.
26 minutes ago, Klutz said:Ok, so you're saying that:
- Red maneuver while stressed = Execute 2 straight white
- Wrong dial = Execute maneuver if it's legal, otherwise opponent selects legal maneuver.
- Illegal dial (between values) = Opponent selects which of the 2 maneuvers to perform
- Straight maneuver to Shaken Pilot = Unknown, not covered by rules
Is that correct?
If it is, then I agree it's not covered by the rules, but as a TO I would rule it as InquisitorM described.
Exacly as you wrote. How you rule it its perfectly up to TO. Most commonly i encounter white 2s in this case 
1 minute ago, Parravon said:So the only actual change to any illegal manoeuvres is the red while stressed one. Vitalis' belief that other illegal manoeuvre sections of the rules or FAQ have now been removed is not quite correct as they are still in the FAQ, but were never in the rules.
As far as i recall (i dont have any old FAQ) it covered all illegal maneuvers before, not just stressed scenario.
That's my point. They're all still in the FAQ. They haven't been removed at all.
48 minutes ago, Parravon said:That's my point. They're all still in the FAQ. They haven't been removed at all.
Aside from last of your bullets. Its not there anymore. All other cases are covered, true, but not this one.
Edited by VitalisVitalis is correct. We can (and, I believe, should) draw the parallel, but the direct ruling no longer exists. As much as I believe my interpretation is the best, most sensible, one, I would not dare to pretend that it wasn't derived, rather than directly expressed.
3 hours ago, Vitalis said:As far as i recall (i dont have any old FAQ) it covered all illegal maneuvers before, not just stressed scenario.
It seems your recollection was wrong. There never was any single entry covering all illegal manoeuvres. They were, and still are, scattered under different headings. That's why @Klutz was confused when you referenced the "part that is no longer there", because it was never there to start with.
And I have all the FAQs back to 1.1.
3 hours ago, Parravon said:It seems your recollection was wrong. There never was any single entry covering all illegal manoeuvres. They were, and still are, scattered under different headings. That's why @Klutz was confused when you referenced the "part that is no longer there", because it was never there to start with.
And I have all the FAQs back to 1.1.
- Red maneuver while stressed was covered in the rules until changed in the current FAQ 4.2.3
- Forgot to place a dial was under Missed Opportunities and appeared in FAQ 2.0.
- Assigning incorrect ship dials and dial stuck between manoeuvres were originally under Mistakes in FAQ 2.1 but now have their own headings.
- There's never been any reference to Shaken Pilot at all, so that now conflicts with the new red/stress rule and needs FFG clarification.
So just to know - WITHOUT clarification from FFG - How would you handle a Shaken Pilot situation with someone revealing a straight maneuver?
Would you allow the opponent to select the dial or force a 2 straight?
I am assume it is the opponent selection, but want to see what the consensus here is.
Opponent selection e: of a non-straight move obviously.
Edited by thespaceinvader