Hello Everyone,
I got a game tomorrow with a enemy which will bring E-Wings.... I have two questions I would like to confirm, that can really change how I develop my strategy. Sorry if has already been answered.
1. Can a E-wing use Snipe on a Tie Fighter when the Tie Fighter is engaged.
2. Can a E-wing use Snipe on a Tie Fighter when the E-Wing is engaged.
May the force be with you
I think in another thread we resolved that snipe can be used all the time unless you're being engaged by an escort ship. But, other people with better rule knowledge (Dras) will come in and confirm.
Edited by Sybreed7 minutes ago, Sybreed said:I think in another thread we resolved that snipe can be used all the time unless you're being engaged by an escort ship. But, other people with better rule knowledge (Dras) will come in and confirm.
I agree with this.
Also note that SNIPE can only be used if the defending squadron is At distance 2 , so if any portion of its base is At distance 1 , the attacker cannot use the SNIPE effect (to avoid the counter for example)
Snipe attacks may only be made against squadrons at distance 2. Measure from the closest point to the closest point. If that distance is less than 1 or more than 3, you may not make a Snipe attack.
Snipe attacks are not affected by the presence or absence of engaging enemy squadrons, and thus may be made against squadrons at distance 2 without regard for engagement (as long as no engaging squadrons have the Escort keyword).
On 10/02/2017 at 9:13 AM, Baconsworth said:Hello Everyone,
I got a game tomorrow with a enemy which will bring E-Wings.... I have two questions I would like to confirm, that can really change how I develop my strategy. Sorry if has already been answered.
1. Can a E-wing use Snipe on a Tie Fighter when the Tie Fighter is engaged.
2. Can a E-wing use Snipe on a Tie Fighter when the E-Wing is engaged.
May the force be with you
1) Yes
2) Yes
and like what others have said you can't snipe at range 1 and while engaged with a unit with Escort.
I originaly didn't support "Sniping" while engaged but after playing several games with it I understand why the designers allow it.
Then explain me why, because if an E-Wing can snipe even if it's engaged, it seems to contradict to the engagement rule. You have to attack the opponent you're engaged with and snipe IS an attack. You roll attack dice after all...
1 hour ago, Norell said:Then explain me why, because if an E-Wing can snipe even if it's engaged, it seems to contradict to the engagement rule. You have to attack the opponent you're engaged with and snipe IS an attack. You roll attack dice after all...
You don't have to attack squadrons you are engage with.
Engagement prevent from moving and shooting ships (and this last one only if you can attack a squadron you are engaged with, see Instigator's faq) but it doesn't affect any other rule. There are just 3 rules in the game that force your attack choices in some way:
1. Escort, that only work if you are engaged with a squadorn with escort.
2. Rudor, that only works if you are engaged with another squadron at the same ripe.
3. Engagement, that only works to prevent from shooting ships, not other squadrons.
So, you usually shoot whatever was in range but ships (if you are engaged), non-escorts squadrons (if you are engaged with an escort squadron) and Rudor (if you are engaged with another squadrons).
Snipe change your range under specific conditions. Those conditions are:
1. The range must be "at 2" and no other.
2. The antisquadron armament is given by the snipe value and no other.
3. You cannot be countered.
4. The attack must be against a squadron.
Those conditions don't change the fact that:
1. Is a attack so you can modify your dice.
2. You can shoot squadrons you are not engaged with even when you are engaged with another squadrons as the FAQ said.
3. Obstruction.
Quick answer: No, the engagement rule you refer only works against ships.
The rule:
When a squadron attacks, it must attack an engaged
squadron if possible rather than an enemy ship.
The FAQ:
Q: If a squadron is at distance 1 of two enemy squadrons, one
that it is engaged with and one that it is not engaged with
because it is separated by an obstacle, does the original
squadron have to attack the engaged squadron?
A: No. A squadron can attack another squadron at distance 1
regardless of whether it is technically engaged with that
squadron.
The FAQ only specify range 1 but we have an answer from ffg somewhere. I would paste here but I think you can find it in the snipe thread someone pointed.
EDIT: I found it for you.
Edited by ovinomanc3r
Thanks for clearing this up
So Valen Rudor is not a legal target for Snipe, if the Sniper is engaged with another squadron? even if Rudor is at distance 2 of the sniper?
Valen Rudor states that he is not a valid target if the attacker is engaged with another Squadron. Quote is "While an Enemy Squadron is Engaged with another Squadron, it cannot attack you."
Is the attacker engaged with another Squadron?
If Answer = Yes.
Valen Rudor = Not a Valid Target.
This is specific to Valen Rudor.
But it applies (and is not limited to) Snipe, Counter, and anything else that is designated an "attack".
Thanks.
It should also shut down the discussion on Snipe/Engagement, if everyone could do it, Rudor wouldn't need such wording to make him exempt.
This came up yesterday...If I have Saber squadron engaged with an X-wing and have Biggs at distance 2 can I snipe at Biggs or do I have to shoot the X-wing. I think Biggs is a perfectly valid target but the guy I played against disagreed.
Sabre is attacking a target with escort so it seems fine to me.
Murky area, but, by the wording - indeed. Escort means you ahve to shoot someone with Escort. You are fulfilling that by Sniping at Biggs, who also has Escort.
That's what I thought too. Thanks Mad Cat, Dras.
13 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:This came up yesterday...If I have Saber squadron engaged with an X-wing and have Biggs at distance 2 can I snipe at Biggs or do I have to shoot the X-wing. I think Biggs is a perfectly valid target but the guy I played against disagreed.
Biggs has Escort so he's a valid target. You have to shoot at something with Escort when engaged with an Escort squadron.
Edited by FrimmelAnyway, it's not like Snipe is that good.
In short, snipe gives your E-Wings an effective range of 6 (speed 4 + Range 2 to snipe).
Most imperial ships have speed 4 or 5, giving them an effective range of 5 or 6.
My experience with E-Wings is that they kind of need first player to really be worth their points.
41 minutes ago, Sybreed said:Anyway, it's not like Snipe is that good.
In short, snipe gives your E-Wings an effective range of 6 (speed 4 + Range 2 to snipe).
Most imperial ships have speed 4 or 5, giving them an effective range of 5 or 6.
My experience with E-Wings is that they kind of need first player to really be worth their points.
When I'm second I try to keep them away from reach on the first turn until my last ship activation, to activate them and get them to range 2 of enemy squadrons and attack. That way they won't be able to retaliate that turn unless they have rogue (or if the enemy still has a ship to activate and uses squadron command).
I like E-Wings but don't have enough experience with them yet to tell if they are worth their points
On 2/16/2017 at 3:37 PM, Megatronrex said:This came up yesterday...If I have Saber squadron engaged with an X-wing and have Biggs at distance 2 can I snipe at Biggs or do I have to shoot the X-wing. I think Biggs is a perfectly valid target but the guy I played against disagreed.
On 2/16/2017 at 3:43 PM, Mad Cat said:Sabre is attacking a target with escort so it seems fine to me.
On 2/16/2017 at 3:44 PM, Drasnighta said:Murky area, but, by the wording - indeed. Escort means you ahve to shoot someone with Escort. You are fulfilling that by Sniping at Biggs, who also has Escort.
Seems very iffy to me.
Escort has a "you" in it, he is not engaged with Biggs at all. Meaning that if you're engaged with several Escort ships, you can pick which engaging Escort you shoot at, but no one else you are engaged with.
I can see why you say he IS shooting a target with Escort, because it is a target with Escort.
This definitely needs an FFG clarification of intended interactions, between a wave 1 and wave 5 Ability wording.
40 minutes ago, TheEasternKing said:
Seems very iffy to me.
Escort has a "you" in it, he is not engaged with Biggs at all. Meaning that if you're engaged with several Escort ships, you can pick which engaging Escort you shoot at, but no one else you are engaged with.
I can see why you say he IS shooting a target with Escort, because it is a target with Escort.
This definitely needs an FFG clarification of intended interactions, between a wave 1 and wave 5 Ability wording.
Escort says nothing about the attacking squadron having to be engaged with who they want to attack. The stipulation is whoever they attack must also have Escort not that they have Escort and are engaged.
Saber squadron is engaged with an Escort X-wing. Saber squadron wants to attack an Escort squadron. Saber squadron is allowed to attack the other squadron despite not being engaged because of Snipe.
Why should engagement in this case override Snipe?
57 minutes ago, Frimmel said:Escort says nothing about the attacking squadron having to be engaged with who they want to attack. The stipulation is whoever they attack must also have Escort not that they have Escort and are engaged.
Saber squadron is engaged with an Escort X-wing. Saber squadron wants to attack an Escort squadron. Saber squadron is allowed to attack the other squadron despite not being engaged because of Snipe.
Why should engagement in this case override Snipe?
Because Escort was added when there was no opportunity to attack unengaged squadrons.
With Escort pre Snipe, you either shot at the Squadron with Escort, you are engaged with, or another squadron with Escort you are engaged with, or you do not shoot at all.
So we have 2 squadrons one without Escort, and one with Escort, they are both engaged by a single enemy squadron, the enemy can choose to shoot at one and not the other? why? how? because the Escort squadron is actively preventing you from being able to attack the other squadron, and so if we have 2 squadrons with Escort and one without it, they are both considered to be legal targets, because both of them are actively working to protect the non escort squadron.
This is how I personally perceive what is mechanically being described by the Keyword Escort. I would imagine that is how the developers decided to add the keyword Escort to the games list of squadron abilities.
So if this is indeed the case the Snipe squadron is actively engaged with an enemy squadron that is doing its level best to focus it's attention on it, to the exclusion of all other non escort ships. How can Biggs be actively focusing the Saber squadron on to it, when he is not engaged with it? Escort means you shoot at the engaged Escorts, or nothing else.
Hence why FFG need to clarify whether you may or may not circumvent the intent of the Keyword Escort, because as currently written you can easily come to the conclusion that has been come to here.
I personally would be fine either way, I just felt it could use some clarification, because they might not want you to be able to Snipe unengaged Escorts, while engaged with Escorts.
Edited by TheEasternKingThe concept did exist... In Wave 1... Hell, it Existed in the Core Box!
There are two enemy X-Wings at Distance 1.
One is behind an Asteroid Field. One is not.
You are Engaged only the one in the Clear.
But you may shoot at the one that is in the Asteroid Field if you wish. As per the FAQ , because it is a Legal Target. (It is both at Distance 1, and is an Escort Squadron... Even though it is not engaging you).
1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:The concept did exist... In Wave 1... Hell, it Existed in the Core Box!
There are two enemy X-Wings at Distance 1.
One is behind an Asteroid Field. One is not.
You are Engaged only the one in the Clear.
But you may shoot at the one that is in the Asteroid Field if you wish. As per the FAQ , because it is a Legal Target. (It is both at Distance 1, and is an Escort Squadron... Even though it is not engaging you).
Ahh, I wasn't aware of this, then that clears that up.