I'll be in Milwaukee. Ill prepared and running a prototype fleet because "screw it, that's why."

Waiting for the store to open in San Diego. Curious to see what the crowd is like today.

Shmitty, what's your email? The Milwaukee guys will scan and email them to you if you want.

I was at the Milwaukee regionals as well.

I'm not a fan of how it turned out

14 minutes ago, n00bzilla99 said:

I was at the Milwaukee regionals as well.

I'm not a fan of how it turned out

What in particular? My group was kind of annoyed that we got charged $30 and the store added nothing to the prize support other than the Regionals kit.

11 minutes ago, comatose said:

What in particular? My group was kind of annoyed that we got charged $30 and the store added nothing to the prize support other than the Regionals kit.

I went 3-0 on the day including beating the champ by a 7-4 score and somehow I ended up in second place.

That makes zero sense to me. Win all your games, beat the 2nd place player and still not come out on top.

Im pretty miffed at the entire system to be honest. I wasn't really concerned with prize support, coulda been better but it's fine they have a business to run and they gave up most of their gaming space for a day.

Im more miffed that despite how I played, I was not the regionals champ.

7 minutes ago, comatose said:

What in particular? My group was kind of annoyed that we got charged $30 and the store added nothing to the prize support other than the Regionals kit.

This really pissed me off! I can't believe that we spent that kind of money and only got prize support from the kit! They made ~$682 on the 22 of us paying $31/each... the kits DON'T cost anywhere near that and they just netted all that money ... never ever again will I ever waste my money on that store!

Store credit prizing is not unreasonable for a store to offer when charging such an astronomical amount of money for registration! The money goes back into the store and they turn over product at MSRP pricing! You profit either way and at least this way people don't leave your store feeling cheated!

28 minutes ago, n00bzilla99 said:

I went 3-0 on the day including beating the champ by a 7-4 score and somehow I ended up in second place.

That makes zero sense to me. Win all your games, beat the 2nd place player and still not come out on top.

Im pretty miffed at the entire system to be honest. I wasn't really concerned with prize support, coulda been better but it's fine they have a business to run and they gave up most of their gaming space for a day.

Im more miffed that despite how I played, I was not the regionals champ.

Sorry man, I know that can be frustrating, as I've been burned by it myself, but... them's the rules. If you'd beaten the ultimate winner (or your other opponents) better , you'd have come out on top.

The tourney scoring system is not about W's and L's, it's about overall quality of play. Wins and losses are ultimately, in and of themselves, meaningless in tourney scoring.

Certainly there's a discussion to be had over whether that's the metric we want to use to assign victory, and there are weaknesses in the model. But the bottom line is, you knew the victory requirements going in and did not meet then quite as well as this other guy did, so he deserved the #1 spot just a little more than you did under the framework of the rules.

I say, you should be proud of having done so well. There is some fierce competition out there in this game, and second at a Regionals is nothing to sneeze at.

3 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

Sorry man, I know that can be frustrating, as I've been burned by it myself, but... them's the rules. If you'd beaten the ultimate winner (or your other opponents) better , you'd have come out on top.

The tourney scoring system is not about W's and L's, it's about overall quality of play. Wins and losses are ultimately, in and of themselves, meaningless in tourney scoring.

Certainly there's a discussion to be had over whether that's the metric we want to use to assign victory, and there are weaknesses in the model. But the bottom line is, you knew the victory requirements going in and did not meet then quite as well as this other guy did, so he deserved the #1 spot just a little more than you did under the framework of the rules.

I say, you should be proud of having done so well. There is some fierce competition out there in this game, and second at a Regionals is nothing to sneeze at.

He litearlly won by a MoV tie breaker of 12. That's totally fair. Somehow, despite that in a head to head match, he lost. And that I played harder opponents most of the day, and winning all my games by 100+ points, I am somehow still in 2nd place. That feels so rotten.

1 minute ago, n00bzilla99 said:

He litearlly won by a MoV tie breaker of 12.

Crushing!

San Antonio regionals today was decided by an MoV of 4. The competition in the community is fierce !

Sorry you had a bad day, N00bzilla. I think that most of the time the Armada scoring gets it right by its scoring system, and a good portion of the time, there's a solid 3-0 at the top of the standings, but every once in a while someone comes in behind the winner despite winning every game AND despite playing higher finishers in tournaments. One of my friends finished third in a regional last November despite beating the 1st, 2nd, and 4th place finisher that day. I can empathize with the frustration. I've certainly been on both the benefiting and shafted end of that equation several times. Unfortunately with a regional, there can only be one winner, which is the frustrating part. The best thing you can do is sleep on it, do something other than Armada tomorrow, and then come back out there and compete in a week. This is a leisure activity that we do for fun, and if our first love is for the art of strategy itself, then the times the scoring bug bites us are much more bearable.

18 minutes ago, n00bzilla99 said:

He litearlly won by a MoV tie breaker of 12. That's totally fair. Somehow, despite that in a head to head match, he lost. And that I played harder opponents most of the day, and winning all my games by 100+ points, I am somehow still in 2nd place. That feels so rotten.

Just like poker, you're going to need some luck to win an Armada tournament. I was Jerry's first round opponent, and he tabled me. Ard played against the same list - although so had better objectives for Milwaukee - and I think he'd attest I'm no pushover. While no single change would have kept me from being tabled, Jerry got the perfect roll to one shot Admonition: 7 damage after Admo's ability, XI7, and drew Structural with Dodonna.

40 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

Sorry man, I know that can be frustrating, as I've been burned by it myself, but... them's the rules. If you'd beaten the ultimate winner (or your other opponents) better , you'd have come out on top.

The tourney scoring system is not about W's and L's, it's about overall quality of play. Wins and losses are ultimately, in and of themselves, meaningless in tourney scoring.

Certainly there's a discussion to be had over whether that's the metric we want to use to assign victory, and there are weaknesses in the model. But the bottom line is, you knew the victory requirements going in and did not meet then quite as well as this other guy did, so he deserved the #1 spot just a little more than you did under the framework of the rules.

I say, you should be proud of having done so well. There is some fierce competition out there in this game, and second at a Regionals is nothing to sneeze at.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I suspect that Armada is their test game for this sort of scoring. It definitely has some negative aspects. A player who goes 5-6 8-3 8-3 is supposedly equal to a player who does 10-1 10-1 1-10. That's a big divide in consistency of skill.

I will also acknowledge that this may be simply due to the game length restricting most tournaments to only 3 rounds.

18 minutes ago, thecactusman17 said:

Don't take this the wrong way, but I suspect that Armada is their test game for this sort of scoring. It definitely has some negative aspects. A player who goes 5-6 8-3 8-3 is supposedly equal to a player who does 10-1 10-1 1-10 . That's a big divide in consistency of skill.

I will also acknowledge that this may be simply due to the game length restricting most tournaments to only 3 rounds.

Not really, just because you went 10-1 your first two rounds doesn't mean you were doing great in skill, just you had the better list and skill then the opponent you were facing. Then you hit a wall because your near the top of the ranks and got stomped. Similar to what happened to me today at the SA regionals, went 10-1 the first round against someone who was barely two weeks into the game, 7-4 next round against a stiff opponent (I out squadroned him and we couldn't take out destroy eithers big ships) and got absolutely WRECKED in the last game getting tabled (F U NORA). That landed me right around where I expected to be for the day. Yeah it sucked and I was boo boo faced on the way home (no dice for me) but in the ended up around the same batch of folks in the standings I consider my skill equal.

5 minutes ago, thecactusman17 said:

Don't take this the wrong way, but I suspect that Armada is their test game for this sort of scoring. It definitely has some negative aspects. A player who goes 5-6 8-3 8-3 is supposedly equal to a player who does 10-1 10-1 1-10. That's a big divide in consistency of skill.

I will also acknowledge that this may be simply due to the game length restricting most tournaments to only 3 rounds.

My suspicion is the game length, and also ease of play. After all, if one wants to sink more time and money into this, you'd do a full out rating system similar to the elo system in chess. I don't even know how you'd score an elo system for Armada, but it would shake out some of the pairing problems that are apparent in Armada during the first round. The top players would always be playing someone in the middle of the pack of ratings first round, and players without a rating come in at the bottom, so you're not having to worry about your newer players experiencing a complete route. I'm not sure that's even practical, or even if there's a way to get any kind of confidence level in ratings. You really need a big pool of players and the chance to play tons of different players with already established ratings before your rating system starts to gain any kind of confidence.

It is one of the reasons why I think it is fairer to look at scores or tournament finishes in broad brush strokes. Finishing top 4 in a strong field is probably much more meaningful than specifically coming in 3rd. There's just a lot of goofiness that can happen based on match-ups. After all, you'd rather play top table for a chance at the win in the final round, but if you lose by any kind of margin, you're probably not coming in second, and maybe not even in third.

I'm just trying to focus on the positives. @comatose , it was cool meeting you today! I never even asked, sorry, what were you running?

I'm glad I got to play 2.5 games. I just wish game 3 hadn't been against @Snipafist as we play each other often enough (and were using each other as Regionals testing boards) and I wish my round 2 opponent hadn't rage quit (hence, half a game).

I also wish he hadn't been the third opponent to rage quit against me in the last month 0__________________0. So yeah.

15 minutes ago, geek19 said:

I'm just trying to focus on the positives. @comatose , it was cool meeting you today! I never even asked, sorry, what were you running?

I had a bye second round, so I only got in two games: one against the champ and one against someone who ended up placing about the same as me.

My list was 3x Mc30 torpedoes with OE/APT/H9 and one Admo, Bright Hope with Comms Net and Madine, and Hera, 2x X-Wing, 3x Lancer. I had a good start against Jerry with 90 points on Fire Lanes, but then the TRC's started adding up on the MC30s. His squads played well above their points, too, with some great rolls. But that's part of the game, not an excuse.

Just now, comatose said:

I had a bye second round, so I only got in two games: one against the champ and one against someone who ended up placing about the same as me.

My list was 3x Mc30 torpedoes with OE/APT/H9 and one Admo, Bright Hope with Comms Net and Madine, and Hera, 2x X-Wing, 3x Lancer. I had a good start against Jerry with 90 points on Fire Lanes, but then the TRC's started adding up on the MC30s. His squads played well above their points, too, with some great rolls. But that's part of the game, not an excuse.

I kinda want to try your list out, haha. That or @Ardaedhel 's one, or my own version of it. I havent tried 3 of them with Madine, but I assume its just letting you jump things where you need them to be, and all? And how is Hera? Strangely, I haven't gotten her on the table yet. I aim to rectify that this next week...

4 minutes ago, geek19 said:

I kinda want to try your list out, haha. That or @Ardaedhel 's one, or my own version of it. I havent tried 3 of them with Madine, but I assume its just letting you jump things where you need them to be, and all? And how is Hera? Strangely, I haven't gotten her on the table yet. I aim to rectify that this next week...

Madine is exactly that. Mon Mothma works well with them , too, but the best survivability is to not get shot. Madine helps a lot with not getting shot. It's a very unpredictable fleet at speed 2 with tokens. You threaten huge spaces of the board with that.

Came in 2nd place at Las Vegas, but sad to find out my orange range ruler is noticeably shorter than the green store champ ones? Is this common or was mine maybe miscut? (about a half centimeter short).

In regards to the Tournament structure, after having have to play a game against Cutter 9999 in a tournament, I now know why the structure is designed as it is. Basically, Cutter9999 had two interdictors with g-7 grav wells. His strategy was to force me to have to deploy outside the wells. Long story short during the entire course of the game only two black dice were rolled. We had a 6-5 with 0 MoV he was 2nd player so he got 6. He did this to the other tournament opponents during the day, still with 3 6-5 wins he lost the tourney. If this game was simply about wins and losses we would play for second player and play to a draw never fully committing or making bold moves which makes for a very dull game.

The MoV and Tournament point system is designed to force opponents to come after each other and fight for those points. This makes it for a very exciting game.

Won the San Diego Regionals. In attendance were 16 players, including TheCactusMan17. I managed to come out on top in all three matches for score/MoV: 26 MoV 687.

My bid was 0 and I was 2nd Player in all three games.

Match 1: 10-1 MoV 367 (490-123) - Fighter Ambush

Match 2: 9-2 MoV 240 (421-181) - Fighter Ambush

Match 3: 7-4 MoV 80 (327-247) - Superior Positions

SEE SOME PICS ON IMGUR HERE.

My Fleet:

San Diego Regionals 1st Place - Ryan

Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 400/400

Commander: Admiral Screed

Assault Objective: Most Wanted
Defense Objective: Fighter Ambush
Navigation Objective: Superior Positions

[ flagship ] Imperial I-Class Star Destroyer (110 points)
- Admiral Screed ( 26 points)
- Minister Tua ( 2 points)
- Flight Controllers ( 6 points)
- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)
- Dual Turbolaser Turrets ( 5 points)
= 156 total ship cost

Raider-I Class Corvette (44 points)
- Ordnance Experts ( 4 points)
- Expanded Hangar Bay ( 5 points)
= 53 total ship cost

Gozanti-class Cruisers (23 points)
- Flight Commander ( 3 points)
- Bomber Command Center ( 8 points)
= 34 total ship cost

Gozanti-class Cruisers (23 points)
- Suppressor ( 4 points)
= 27 total ship cost

1 Major Rhymer ( 16 points)
2 TIE Bomber Squadrons ( 18 points)
1 Maarek Steele ( 21 points)
2 TIE Defender Squadrons ( 32 points)
1 Zertik Strom ( 15 points)
1 Tempest Squadron ( 13 points)
1 Lamda-class Shuttle ( 15 points)

Sydney Regionals yesterday. 18 players I think - probably down a bit because it was the same day as a big Xwing tourney in Canberra.

Top 3 were all Imperials

1st was Motti, ISD2, Suppressor, Demo and 5 scatter aces

2nd was Motti, Demo, Raider, 3 Gozanti, Rhymerball

3rd was Motti (I think!?) ISD1 and rhymer ball and 3 Goz(?)

3 way tie for 1st, rankings decided by MOV/SOS.

Congrats to the winners!!

Do you know whats unfair. I have beaten quite a lot of regional winners, often with their winning lists.

Cant do well at our regionals.

22 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Do you know whats unfair. I have beaten quite a lot of regional winners, often with their winning lists.

Cant do well at our regionals.

I'm not sure its unfair, but it is unfortunate. I'm sure your time will come. I felt a similar way after the Regional last year and was basically on a personal mission to do better this year, which thankfully I did.

I can personally say that the level of play and the challenge has increased with each wave and tournament I've played. Great game that is a different challenge every time. Best of luck.