Is there a practical difference between these two cards? I don't currently have a crew on a minimal HWK I'm running, and wondering if I can save myself a further point to go elsewhere?
There's no limit to the amount of focus Rey can hold is there? And each turn the HWK can focus itself, and pull a focus off Rey to hand out? Then if his current focus is unspent it's saved just like with the HWK title?
Thoughts?
There is no limit to how much Rey can hold. However, she can only add one to storage each turn, and can only remove one from storage each turn.
The difference is that the Moldy Crow gets to keep any number of focuses on it self, while Ray can keep any number of focuses on Ray, but only hand out one focus a turn.
So a Moldy Crow with say 3 focus saved can spend all 3 in one turn, f.ex. defending two attacks and doing one attack as well.
With Ray, if she has 3 focus, she can only give one of the focuses to the ship, so it will only have the one to spend.
An other difference is if your ship gains more then one focus during a trun, Recon specialist f.ex., Moldy can keep them all, Ray can onlyt save one.
The difference is the HWK lol and I'd pick Rey over that any day.
But to answer your question, if you have the extra point and are using TLT, you have to use the Moldy Crow title.
If neither of those describe your HWK then either don't play it or use Rey. But no, you cannot give your focus tokens away to friendly ships with Rey.
Hot Shot Co-pilot, Palob, and Old Teroch can get at the tokens on Moldy Crow. They can't affect tokens on the Rey card. Whether or not that is important is a meta dependent call.
Rey is technically superior than the Moldy Crow. They function the same in retrospec but do it completely differently.
Moldy Crow stacks focus tokens assigned to your ship, leaving you not only able to use multiples of them in a turn but vulnerable to discard or stealing effects (Old Teroch is a big example here as he will instantly remove your ENTIRE STACK if he gets you).
Rey crew stacks focus tokens one at a time on the card, not the ship. This both limits how fast she stacks/uses focus and prevents said discard or stealing effects pending initiative. I laughed my ass off when i faced Old Teroch and he had init so his ability went off, i had no tokens anyway, then Rey assigns a focus to me. Moldy Crow would be screwed regardless of init.
Also Rey works on any crew user while Crow is ship specific.
41 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:Rey is technically superior than the Moldy Crow. They function the same in retrospec but do it completely differently.
Moldy Crow stacks focus tokens assigned to your ship, leaving you not only able to use multiples of them in a turn but vulnerable to discard or stealing effects (Old Teroch is a big example here as he will instantly remove your ENTIRE STACK if he gets you).
Rey crew stacks focus tokens one at a time on the card, not the ship. This both limits how fast she stacks/uses focus and prevents said discard or stealing effects pending initiative. I laughed my ass off when i faced Old Teroch and he had init so his ability went off, i had no tokens anyway, then Rey assigns a focus to me. Moldy Crow would be screwed regardless of init.Also Rey works on any crew user while Crow is ship specific.
I don't know that I'd say that Rey is superior. In the absence of token strippers, Moldy Crow is actually much more powerful. Moldy Crow allows you to spend tokens as needed and doesn't have you losing tokens if you guessed wrong an ended up not needing need them. Moldy Crow also doesn't fill a crew slot.
There's really only 3 reasons to take Rey over Moldy Crow:
1. You aren't including a HWK in your squad.
2. You are trying to keep the HWK as cheap as possible.
3. You are worried about token stripping.
On 2/7/2017 at 9:29 AM, WWHSD said:Hot Shot Co-pilot, Palob, and Old Teroch can get at the tokens on Moldy Crow. They can't affect tokens on the Rey card. Whether or not that is important is a meta dependent call.
I don't agree about Hotcop. You are required to spend a token "If able," but you are also only allowed to spend one focus token, per attack or defense, for it's ordinary purpose.
HotShot isnt really that amazing unless youre pairing it with a high PS gunner user.
2 hours ago, Achowat said:I don't agree about Hotcop. You are required to spend a token "If able," but you are also only allowed to spend one focus token, per attack or defense, for it's ordinary purpose.
A HWK with Moldy Crow and TLT could be forced to spend 4 focus tokens in a single round by a ship with HSCP and Gunner and will possibly get no benefit from any of those tokens. That will tear through any surplus of tokens that the HWK was able to bank with a quickness.
My group had the discussion about old teroch the other night, however we came to the conclusion he would strip rey of her focus because she is on the ship, teroch's ability doesn't say assigned tokens just all tokens on the ship, rey is technically on the ship, we couldn't find a ffg clarification so we went with the main rule of xwing, do as the card says not what it doesn't say
Old Teroch is something of a bad match for "Do what the card says to do; do not do what the card does not say to do" because he just says the ship "discards all focus and evade tokens".
You already have to add an assumed "...assigned to that ship" or possibly "...that it can discard" to this text, or else you're clearing all the focus and evade tokens from every ship on the board, and possibly in neighboring games.
And once you've done that, it should be clear that Rey's focus is safe. A ship with Rey equipped isn't able to do anything with the focus on Rey--it is not assigned to the ship, it's on Rey.
No because it says at range 1 and in there arc, so it can't be any ship, rey is on the ship because if you hit it with fett crew you can discard her, so if that ship has to discard all focus and evade tokens rey's are included, you can't just add an assigned to teroch's ability
20 hours ago, digitalbusker said:Old Teroch is something of a bad match for "Do what the card says to do; do not do what the card does not say to do" because he just says the ship "discards all focus and evade tokens".
You already have to add an assumed "...assigned to that ship" or possibly "...that it can discard" to this text, or else you're clearing all the focus and evade tokens from every ship on the board, and possibly in neighboring games.
No wonder Old Teroch never really clicked with me... he's breakin' mah rulez!
On 20/05/2017 at 6:38 PM, Plymouthdean86 said:My group had the discussion about old teroch the other night, however we came to the conclusion he would strip rey of her focus because she is on the ship, teroch's ability doesn't say assigned tokens just all tokens on the ship, rey is technically on the ship, we couldn't find a ffg clarification so we went with the main rule of xwing, do as the card says not what it doesn't say
Sorry, but you're mistaken with this one. Old Teroch can only strip Focus tokens that are assigned to the ship.
As you say, do what the card says but you need to look at what the Rey crew card tells you to do.
"At the start of the End phase, you may place 1 of your ship's focus tokens on this card. At the start of the Combat phase, you may assign 1 of those tokens to your ship. " Once a token is placed on Rey's card it is no longer on the ship as you need to remove it from the card and assign to the ship at the start of the combat phase.
Teroch - "At the start of the Combat phase , you may choose 1 enemy ship at Range 1. If you are inside its firing arc , it discards all focus and evade tokens." - Only focus tokens which have been taken off the Rey card and assigned to the ship or considered to be ON that ship.
Of course Teroch will also strip off any Tokens you had hoped to use to charge Rey up.
9 hours ago, StevenO said:Of course Teroch will also strip off any Tokens you had hoped to use to charge Rey up.
Only according to who has initiative.
4 hours ago, Kalandros said:Only according to who has initiative.
Wouldn't matter. If Rey doesn't have a Focus token at the End step she can't charge up.
Now Initiative does matter if trying to bleed Rey but if her ship takes the Focus action Teroch can strip that regardless of when Rey activates.