On 06/02/2017 at 4:50 PM, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

So, overruled. Your Exhibit A is dismissed.

Sorry, couldn't resist, but that's how my inner voice read that last bit

On 6/2/2017 at 5:13 PM, eMeM said:

Both A-wings and the ghost is of scale. Look how "small" the Ghost is on the ground next to the U-wing (which seems to be the right scale in the game) and X-wings. Ghost on Yavin

15 hours ago, Dwing said:

Both A-wings and the ghost is of scale. Look how "small" the Ghost is on the ground next to the U-wing (which seems to be the right scale in the game) and X-wings. Ghost on Yavin

Good point, based on Rogue One, it looks like the X-Wing Ghost model is far larger than it should be (which makes sense, in Rebels the Ghost doesn't feel that spacious, and the front cockpits and that dorsal bubble turret don't look like they should be as large as the XW:MG miniature suggests). This would also mean that the Rebels A-Wings in that shot with the Ghost would also then be far larger than they should be in X-Wing, if we assume the Ghost and A-Wing models are roughly close to their Rebels scale when compared to one another.

So basically, the argument is this:

(1) Movies (RotJ, Rogue One, and promo shots of Episode 8) all establish that the A-Wing is much, much smaller than the XW:MG model.

(2) A single cartoon that has liberal with scale and proportions of everything (see: "giraffe" Star Destroyers and stubby stumpy TIEs) and a number LFL pulled out of somewhere suggest the XW:MG model is maybe about right.

(3) Common sense would suggest that a small, agile, lightly armed and lightly armored and lightly shielded single-seat fighter should not have the same overall fuselage volume of a heavily-armored troop transport that carries 6+ souls (yet the A-Wing model and U-Wing model have roughly the same body shape). Even then, the A-Wing bubble cockpit is wider than the U-Wing cockpit, and even if we granted the larger Rebels presentation, there's still no way two people could sit side-by-side in that A-Wing cockpit with space between, yet in RO two pilots easily fit side-by-side in a U-Wing cockpit.


So, basically you have to pick what should have a stronger case: three movies and common sense, or a children's cartoon.

Q.E.D., the XW:MG A-Wing model is way over-sized.

3 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Good point, based on Rogue One, it looks like the X-Wing Ghost model is far larger than it should be (which makes sense, in Rebels the Ghost doesn't feel that spacious, and the front cockpits and that dorsal bubble turret don't look like they should be as large as the XW:MG miniature suggests). This would also mean that the Rebels A-Wings in that shot with the Ghost would also then be far larger than they should be in X-Wing, if we assume the Ghost and A-Wing models are roughly close to their Rebels scale when compared to one another.

So basically, the argument is this:

(1) Movies (RotJ, Rogue One, and promo shots of Episode 8) all establish that the A-Wing is much, much smaller than the XW:MG model.

(2) A single cartoon that has liberal with scale and proportions of everything (see: "giraffe" Star Destroyers and stubby stumpy TIEs) and a number LFL pulled out of somewhere suggest the XW:MG model is maybe about right.

(3) Common sense would suggest that a small, agile, lightly armed and lightly armored and lightly shielded single-seat fighter should not have the same overall fuselage volume of a heavily-armored troop transport that carries 6+ souls (yet the A-Wing model and U-Wing model have roughly the same body shape). Even then, the A-Wing bubble cockpit is wider than the U-Wing cockpit, and even if we granted the larger Rebels presentation, there's still no way two people could sit side-by-side in that A-Wing cockpit with space between, yet in RO two pilots easily fit side-by-side in a U-Wing cockpit.


So, basically you have to pick what should have a stronger case: three movies and common sense, or a children's cartoon.

Q.E.D., the XW:MG A-Wing model is way over-sized.

A children's cartoon that is canon. A canon source that introduced a two seater A-Wing. While admittedly not side by side, it still makes the old dimensions impossible. And yes, it is a modified version of the base A-Wing model, as shown here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/RZ-1T

this isn't the first bit of retconning Star Wars has done, it certainly won't be the last. If anything, your arguments prove more just how poorly scaled the U-Wing is. Look at the picture Dwing posted. The U-Wing cockpit looks no bigger than an X-Wing cockpit, which we have seen more consistent depictions of, and that's not supporting two side by side seats with the kind of room between them we see in the film.

To me, the U-Wing is the far bigger offender to scale problems than the A-Wing, and has more than scale problems with it's model.

On 2/6/2017 at 9:59 AM, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

PSA: A-Wing models should be about half the size the are now

PSA #2: I know the LFL Numbers are what FFG used. I'm not saying FFG got it wrong, I'm saying LFL got it wrong.

Somehow this never seems to die; so do we all get to play?

PSA: The Fantasy Flight A-Wing model is the right size.

I've always thought the old scale size was incorrect since there seemed to be too many things shoved into what was to be a stripped down fighter.