Sources of Ships / Ship Obscurity

By UnitOmega, in X-Wing

On 2/3/2017 at 8:05 PM, MenaceNsobriety said:

I loved that game so much! The text box on all the cards had some great obscure information. I was crushed when Decipher lost the license before even getting through all the movies.

i forgot to mention this but great post!

That obscure information is where nearly every minor character's mane came from, too. Wampa, Mauler, Howlrunner, etc were all made up by Decipher. Same with the Imperial and Rebellion officers, Rebel pilots, the weapon names, even most of the scum and villainy. If you want a good idea of what is still to come out, go look at the CCG cats for what hasn't been released yet. They even invented BoShek.

I have been looking for an effortpost like this for a while, great job UnitOmega!

I don't know how encyclopedic your off-hand knowledge is, but for those ships which made their first appearance in writing, it would be great to also know where their first visual depiction comes from. I knew Z-95s were one of the earliest ships of the EU, but it seems its first depiction dates from one of the West End Games RPG source books. I'm not sure if there are other noteworthy earlier appearances, but Z-95s were a very common enemy ship in TIE Fighter, which is probably where they became known to a wide audience for the first time.

For the ESB bounty hunter ships, the Tales anthology was released December 96, the CCG set where they're all depicted was released April 97, but the Shadow of the Empire comic ran from May - Oct '96 and probably was the first appearance for IG-2000 and the Hound's Tooth. If you enter some of the defunct links on Wookiepedia into the wayback machine, you get confirmation that Punishing One and Mist Hunter were first visually designed for the CCG. Neat.

I haven't had any luck so far tracking down the origin of the K-Wing's design. The picture on Wookiepedia is from The Essential Chronology from April 2000, no idea if it was depicted earlier than that.

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@UnitOmega

Nice compilation!

"Quad is given a somewhat memorable moment which might generously be called a scene"

One could be nitpicky, but there are actually 2 occasions with a Quadjumper in TFA. This one is clearly standing not on the same spot as the other, and it is more green. It's in the backgorund when BB8, Rey and Finn are running out of the court. If this actually is a second one (color and position speaks for this), or if this is just clipping errors (same model, but standing near a fence and a turbine in this scene; maybe different lighting or later repainted(?)ยด; and then moved to the place of explosions?) is a bit unclear.

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Now updated for the ships revealed for Wave XII (so far)

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TIE Fighter only has about 150k copies on Steam...



I know this is going to come as a shock (given your self admitted youth) but back in those days; games came on discs or CDs. :P

From memory, the original copy of TIE Fighter came on four or five 3.5" 'floppies'. You would know it today as 'the thing that appears on the save button'.

X-Wing, TIE Fighter, X-Wing vs TIE Fighter, etc. would have sold hundred of thousands, if not millions, back at the height of their release... The halcyon days of PC Flight Sim gaming, where joysticks were a mandatory peripheral for your desktop.

1 minute ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

I know this is going to come as a shock (given your self admitted youth) but back in those days; games came on discs or CDs. :P

From memory, the original copy of TIE Fighter came on four or five 3.5" 'floppies'. You would know it today as 'the thing that appears on the save button'.

X-Wing, TIE Fighter, X-Wing vs TIE Fighter, etc. would have sold hundred of thousands, if not millions, back at the height of their release... The halcyon days of PC Flight Sim gaming, where joysticks were a mandatory peripheral for your desktop.

Careful now old-timer. I own Star Wars: Starfighter on CD. I cut my teeth on computer gaming when I could barely read on an old DOS machine we had lying around the house, playing stuff like Commander Keen and the first Duke Nukem. Actually, I buy a lot of console games in disc form because you get them cheaper after a while and usually they have cool stuff. The point is just I don't have a good way to track stats besides very general numbers from stuff like SteamSpy - other than just pointing out how old games are. It's why I had to back it up by saying "Despite what low tracking numbers I have I know TIE Fighter is actually really popular from other sources". There are people playing this game younger than me who may not even remember what life was like before Steam (protip: It involves lots of discs and hoping they work).

All said in jest mate.

Ah yes... the traditional "8 discs! Oh jeez, I hope they all work." I remember it well.

8 minutes ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

I know this is going to come as a shock (given your self admitted youth) but back in those days; games came on discs or CDs. :P

From memory, the original copy of TIE Fighter came on four or five 3.5" 'floppies'. You would know it today as 'the thing that appears on the save button'.

X-Wing, TIE Fighter, X-Wing vs TIE Fighter, etc. would have sold hundred of thousands, if not millions, back at the height of their release... The halcyon days of PC Flight Sim gaming, where joysticks were a mandatory peripheral for your desktop.

FWIW, the original 'X-Wing' (which does have the assault gunboat in it) was the highest-selling PC game of 1993.

So...yeah, many hundreds of thousands.

On 2/4/2017 at 11:50 AM, UnitOmega said:

The Raider-class Corvette would have eternally won the "most obscure" crown, as it was created by Fantasy Flight in conjunction with LFL to have something at the appropriate scale for XWM, but it appeared in the new canon Thrawn novel and was shown prominently in pre-release materials for EA's Battlefront II, where it is apparently associated with Imperial Special Forces.

I might also mention that the wreckage of an imperial raider (presumably the corvus) is seen in TFA, upside down in the lower centre-left just after the last TIE/fo is destroyed by the millennium falcon. (the engine configuration and back of the wings are the identifiable features.)

i think the reason the quadjumper got so much interest is the fact that the products leading up to TFA.. the cross section book, the visual dictionary, and a lot of the other 'preview products' treated the Quadjumper as if it was a much more important ship than it proved to be in the film. most liekly this was part of Disney's efforts to prevent anyone from guessing the details of the story ahead of time. these products did a fairly good job of talking up the ship and making it seem interesting, so interest kept going after the film came out.

6 minutes ago, mithril2098 said:

i think the reason the quadjumper got so much interest is the fact that the products leading up to TFA.. the cross section book, the visual dictionary, and a lot of the other 'preview products' treated the Quadjumper as if it was a much more important ship than it proved to be in the film. most liekly this was part of Disney's efforts to prevent anyone from guessing the details of the story ahead of time. these products did a fairly good job of talking up the ship and making it seem interesting, so interest kept going after the film came out.

Or it was supposed to play a bigger part that stayed on the cutting room floor/was rewritten, like Plutt losing his arm to Chewie or the original opening scene exploring the recovery of Lukes saber.

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that might explain why they gave it more attention (i suspect it was a bit of both, since early concept art made it appear to be Rey's ship) but the point is that it got a following because the promotional materials played it up, and made it seem very interesting.

and then FFG decided to play up on those interesting aspects to create a miniature with a fairly unique play style.