What was Dan's list?

Coran/Miranda

Kind of a disappointing end to the tournament. There is a lot of chatter on both the New Mexico and BTD FB pages about the call in the final round being a little iffy and wanting FFG to look into it. I couldn't see what was going on due to it being off camera which is a shame as it has thrown a bit of a shadow over the win.

I was watching the stream, and tbh it doesn't really seem like 3rd party verification of the video is particularly necessary in this specific case.

Based on the stream commentary, it seemed like everyone up to and including the tournament judge agreed that the ship was angled in a manner that would fly it off the board.

My interpretation of the situation is that sloppy deployment and/or sloppy component handling during the execution of the maneuver led to a situation in which the player's chosen straight maneuver put his base slightly off-board. The judges seemed to rule that at a high level event a player can be expected to be competent enough to deploy a ship with a "straight" facing in an accurate manner, and therefore it was impossible for any straight maneuver to take the ship off-board.

The fact that the player claimed he bumped the table after the judge was called over is highly suspect, but I do wonder if that would show up in the video recording.

9 hours ago, Gibarian said:

The fact that the player claimed he bumped the table after the judge was called over is highly suspect, but I do wonder if that would show up in the video recording.

It does. Miranda's off the board maneuver followed immediately by the table bump can be seen in this stream at 13:37:40. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/119675818

Was it a similar build to the Corran/Miranda that was at World's?

1 hour ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

Was it a similar build to the Corran/Miranda that was at World's?

Corran: PTL, R2D2, FCS, Engine

Miranda: Sabine, Adv Slam, Ion Bombs, TLT, EM, Homing Missiles, Connor Net

Dan had no place winning that. People that intentionally play sloppy for an advantage should suffer the consequences when it's reversed.

1 hour ago, varthanna said:

Dan had no place winning that. People that intentionally play sloppy for an advantage should suffer the consequences when it's reversed.

I can't speak for any game before the finals, but the judges were watching that table like hawks, and every maneuver after the initial incident especially was heavily scrutinized.

2 minutes ago, acegard said:

I can't speak for any game before the finals, but the judges were watching that table like hawks, and every maneuver after the initial incident especially was heavily scrutinized.

Not being from the area, this might be a dumb question but is this guy known for playing intentionally sloppy? That seems to be the consensus on the NM FB group but I assumed that was just some sour grapes.

33 minutes ago, MonkeyInSpace said:

Not being from the area, this might be a dumb question but is this guy known for playing intentionally sloppy? That seems to be the consensus on the NM FB group but I assumed that was just some sour grapes.

There were some concerns raised before the match, so to try to allay those, the TO put the Marshal and Judge into the room in order to hopefully sweeten the grapes xD

1 hour ago, acegard said:

There were some concerns raised before the match, so to try to allay those, the TO put the Marshal and Judge into the room in order to hopefully sweeten the grapes xD

Man, I may have a certain reputation in my local region for my good humor, being a bon vivant, and smashing headlights when I lose (all in good fun, of course!), but having a reputation as being "a sloppy player" or some form of cheat would suck. Trust me on this, changing your identity is NOT fun and certainly not something I would do over a board game.

Anybody have the top 8 lists? I was there but only got to see half the top lists.

Here were top 4 at least, I'm working on getting the 8:

Dan Hars v. Kyle D.

Dan:
Miranda Doni: A. SLAM, Connor, Ion Bomb, TLT, EM, Homing, Sabine
Corral Horn: PtL, R2-D2, FCS, EU

Kyle:
Poe Dameron (PS9): Adaptability, Patt. Analyzer, AT, R5P9
Nien Numb: Snap Shot, R3-A2, IA, Black One
Jess Pava: R2D6, Snap Shot, IA

Ryan Kraus v. Johnathan Grasser

Ryan:
Tomax Bren: Crack shot, EM, Homing, GC
Vessery: VI, x7
Inquisitor: PtL, Prockets, AT, v1

Johnathan:
Miranda: TLT, Sabine, Seismic, Ion Bomb, Homing, EM, LRS
Gold Sqd. x2: TLT, Bomb Loadout, Seismic, Guidance Chips

16 hours ago, acegard said:

Here were top 4 at least, I'm working on getting the 8:

Dan Hars v. Kyle D.

Dan:
Miranda Doni: A. SLAM, Connor, Ion Bomb, TLT, EM, Homing, Sabine
Corral Horn: PtL, R2-D2, FCS, EU

Kyle:
Poe Dameron (PS9): Adaptability, Patt. Analyzer, AT, R5P9
Nien Numb: Snap Shot, R3-A2, IA, Black One
Jess Pava: R2D6, Snap Shot, IA

Ryan Kraus v. Johnathan Grasser

Ryan:
Tomax Bren: Crack shot, EM, Homing, GC
Vessery: VI, x7
Inquisitor: PtL, Prockets, AT, v1

Johnathan:
Miranda: TLT, Sabine, Seismic, Ion Bomb, Homing, EM, LRS
Gold Sqd. x2: TLT, Bomb Loadout, Seismic, Guidance Chips

How many total were at the event? and what was Kyle's Last name?

On 2/5/2017 at 10:19 AM, acegard said:

Edit, scratch that

72 people.

Kyle's last name looks like Doerhoff.

10 hours ago, Trespasser 989 said:

72 people.

Kyle's last name looks like Doerhoff.

Who says that x-wings need a buff? This is the 3rd 2017 regional that Kyle has made a cut in with triple t70s!

On 2/6/2017 at 0:49 PM, acegard said:

Here were top 4 at least, I'm working on getting the 8:

Dan Hars v. Kyle D.

Dan:
Miranda Doni: A. SLAM, Connor, Ion Bomb, TLT, EM, Homing, Sabine
Corral Horn: PtL, R2-D2, FCS, EU

Kyle:
Poe Dameron (PS9): Adaptability, Patt. Analyzer, AT, R5P9
Nien Numb: Snap Shot, R3-A2, IA, Black One
Jess Pava: R2D6, Snap Shot, IA

Ryan Kraus v. Johnathan Grasser

Ryan:
Tomax Bren: Crack shot, EM, Homing, GC
Vessery: VI, x7
Inquisitor: PtL, Prockets, AT, v1

Johnathan:
Miranda: TLT, Sabine, Seismic, Ion Bomb, Homing, EM, LRS
Gold Sqd. x2: TLT, Bomb Loadout, Seismic, Guidance Chips

Did he really put Adaptability on PS9 Poe??

On 2/7/2017 at 6:49 AM, acegard said:

Kyle:
Poe Dameron (PS9): Adaptability, Patt. Analyzer, AT, R5P9
Nien Numb: Snap Shot, R3-A2, IA, Black One
Jess Pava: R2D6, Snap Shot, IA

Are you sure that's not PS8 Poe? My math puts that squad at 102 points.

It was def. PS8 poe with adaptability.

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9 hours ago, player346259 said:

I really like this squad. Are there anywhere some vids of it? I'd like to see how he uses to fly it..

You can go on to the back to dials twitch (twitch.tv/backtodials) and find his Top 4 match at least. We are also working to get the videos of each round up on the BTD YouTube channel!

Finally got around to watching the stream and . . .

On 2/4/2017 at 10:34 PM, Gibarian said:

That semi was probably the saddest game I've ever watched.

For the benefit of non-watchers, it was Poe/Nien/Jess vs. Corranda. The T-70 player outplayed his opponent from start-to-finish (from a maneuvering/positioning standpoint) but spent the whole game chasing a regenerating Corran who had absolutely insane green dice the whole way. I think Corran took one shot all game, maybe two?

Really? Dan set up a trap and Kyle flew right into it; he spent the entire game doing exactly what Dan wanted him to do. He was basically gambling that Corran's green dice would suck, and while it can happen, that's generally not a great way to approach a match. Dan's dice were good, but they weren't that good. Granted, I'm biased -- Dan's a friend -- so I'll resort to the black magic of maths. To break it down:

• First round of shooting: Nien (no action) R3 to Corran (focus) has .153 expected damage and 87.6% chance of dealing no damage. If Dan's unlucky, he takes one and immediately regens it.
• Second round of shooting: Nien (no action) and Jess (no action) R2 to Corran (no action): each shot has 0.674 expected damage and a 53.4% chance to miss completely (meaning a 28.5% chance of both missing); Dan was a little lucky, be he would've had to pretty pretty unlucky to take more than one there. Just about worse case has Corran down to one shield, and he regens back to two.
• Third round of shooting: Poe (no action) at R3, Nien (no action) at R3 obstructed, and Jess ("target lock" from her ability) R2 obstructed to Corran (no actions). The first two have .499 expected damage and 64.2% chance to miss; Jess has 0.946 expected and 40.1% miss chance. Add up those expected damage values (which might be some hacky math, but it'll do) and you get 1.944, with a still decent 16.5% chance of all of them missing. If Corran's unlucky again, he takes two shields and one hull; but Nien loses the stressbot this round, so Corran is back to his normal action economy.
• Fourth round of shooting: Jess (no actions) R2 to Corran (focus and evade). You can expect a measly 0.066 damage there, with a 94.1% miss chance; pretty slim odds to put through even one shield.

At that point, Nien was down and Miranda was back in the fray, meaning that bombs were going to come into play. Assuming Corran was unlucky every single round of shooting, he has one shield and one hull; but assuming that the dice were even vaguely cooperative on that fourth round, he'll have two shields and one hull, and either way, it's behind to focus and an evade. Miranda drops a bomb, buying Corran a turn or two to regen, all the while plinking damage through on Jess. Worst case, Corran goes down around the same time as Jess and it's a very boring battle of regen that eventually goes to time, where Dan wins on points.

So yeah. Dan got *outplayed.*

Dan's a pretty passive player in terms of strategy, but he's still one of the best in America. Three for three wins in his last three Regionals and Top 4 at Nationals all adds up to a pretty impressive resume. He's good at making his job in a game very simple, and that's what he did. Yes, the T-70s had some pretty impressive maneuvers and boosts and what not; and likewise, Dan did clip Miranda on a debris cloud. But that doesn't mean he was the worse player -- quite the opposite. Dan set it up so that his (calculated) mistakes didn't matter, while his opponent had to pray for every advantage he could get.

To cap it all off, though, I should say that all these guys are excellent players and so on and so forth; I know Kyle beat Dan in Swiss with a Nien Nunb Snap Shot, so he obviously knows how to beat the list, and he knows how to beat good players. Not trying to be overly belligerent or dismissive, but I do think Dan deserves the appropriate amount of credit for his win.

(And a quick disclaimer: all those probabilities are from the X-Wing Dice Probability Calculator site. I'm not dedicated enough to do all that stuff myself ).

Yay. This is still going.

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