Sorry if this has already been explained....

If Biggs has M9G8 equipped and target locks my ghost, can the ghost still re roll using M9G8 even if Omega Leader has him locked?

The theory being it is another ship modding the dice, not the Ghost.

Probably not (M9-G* says 'the attacker must reroll', so it's not M9G8's ship doing the modifying), but it needs FAQing to be sure, as the language is wooly enough to be questionable.

9 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Probably not (M9-G* says 'the attacker must reroll', so it's not M9G8's ship doing the modifying), but it needs FAQing to be sure, as the language is wooly enough to be questionable.

Zuckus had the same wording - "defender must reroll this dice" and omega blocks it - even if the wording suggests its the omega doing the modification, ruling was that the source is taken into account not who is rerolling the dice.

So M9-G8 is should not be blocked by omega in this scenario.

Howlrunner has the same wording, and Omega blocks her.

The wording to compare is Palp's, which OL doesn't block.

8 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Howlrunner has the same wording, and Omega blocks her.

The wording to compare is Palp's, which OL doesn't block.

Howlrunner has totally different wording - just checked her

HOwl is 'the attacker may' versus m9g8's 'the attacker must'.

Either way, both cards are causing the ship doing the attacking to reroll dice,.

M9G8 would have to be phrased 'When a ship you have locked is attacking, you may choose and reroll 1 attack die.' or similar, to not be blocked by OL.

As opposed to:

When a ship you have locked is attacking, you may choose 1 attack die. The attacker must reroll that die.

The attacker is the ship whose mods OL blocks.

8 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

HOwl is 'the attacker may' versus m9g8's 'the attacker must'.

Either way, both cards are causing the ship doing the attacking to reroll dice,.

M9G8 would have to be phrased 'When a ship you have locked is attacking, you may choose and reroll 1 attack die.' or similar, to not be blocked by OL.

As opposed to:

When a ship you have locked is attacking, you may choose 1 attack die. The attacker must reroll that die.

The attacker is the ship whose mods OL blocks.

Holw wording implies that she only "opens a gate" - attacking ship itself chooses a dice and if it want to use the reroll.

M9-G8 wording is clear that its the droid that chooses a dice and forcing a reroll by the attacker.

Plus the Zuckuss argument still stands. He is worded exacly the same way (regarding defence of course) - it was ruled that the ship Zuckuss is on it doing the mods not the Omega. That clearly implies that is the M9-G8 doing the mods not the actuall ship attacking Omega.

I agree wording is inconsistent here, but closest we have suggest it can be done.

30 minutes ago, Vitalis said:

Holw wording implies that she only "opens a gate" - attacking ship itself chooses a dice and if it want to use the reroll.

M9-G8 wording is clear that its the droid that chooses a dice and forcing a reroll by the attacker.

Plus the Zuckuss argument still stands. He is worded exacly the same way (regarding defence of course) - it was ruled that the ship Zuckuss is on it doing the mods not the Omega. That clearly implies that is the M9-G8 doing the mods not the actuall ship attacking Omega.

I agree wording is inconsistent here, but closest we have suggest it can be done.

The Zuckuss/Elusiveness/etc vs OL ruling is another one which I argued against and still don't think is correct, so making me argue in favour of it is difficult.

The droid chooses. The attacker rerolls. The attacker's reroll is blocked.

5 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

The Zuckuss/Elusiveness/etc vs OL ruling is another one which I argued against and still don't think is correct, so making me argue in favour of it is difficult.

Well our opinion does not matter in face of official rulings so ...

5 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

The droid chooses. The attacker rerolls. The attacker's reroll is blocked.

Zuckuss chooses. Omega rerolls. Omega rerolls are not blocked...or wait...?

See that is exacly same case in just different circumstances. And despite mine or yours opinion there is clear ruling in FAQ for such a case.

Strictly speaking, this isn't an analogous situation, because all other prior occurences have only been on defence dice, not attack, so

But I do take the point.

I don't think the FAQ ruling is consistent with the way the rules are written in that instance, so I'm hoping they'll write this one consistently too.

Until they do, I know which way I think it SHOULD work. I doubt that's how it WILL work.

Not really sure what to do if this comes up in a tournament now. I plan on taking this build to the Yavin Open.

You do what the TO says.

Hope they will be pro Rebels

It doesn't matter who rolls the dice. Or if the one who does "must" or "may" roll them.

It's a matter of who chooses the dice to roll. That's the one doing the modification.

M9G8 chooses, so it does the modification.

Howlrunner allows friendly ships to choose and reroll a die, so she is not doing the modification, the friendly ship is.

The key is definitely who 'chooses' the die, that's the actually ship doing the modification. FFG never templates it so you reroll your opponent's stuff for them because that can cause conflict from you touching their stuff etc. If a card indicates choosing specific dice it's the ship choosing who is modifying.

M9-G8 does give a reroll to another OL-locked ship against Omega Leader.

Short Version: The ship on which M9-G8 is equipped is the one performing the modification, and that's not prohibited by OL.

Long Version: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/230576-maybe-a-helpful-way-to-think-about-modification-source/

EDIT: Interestingly, in the linked thread thespaceinvader appeared to be on the other side of his own argument. :-)

Things that force another ship to reroll count the ship that forced the reroll as rerolling the dice, ala Zuckuss, Elusiveness, or R7 Astromech.
M9G8's ship is the ship thats modifying the roll. Unless hes targeted by OL he can force the ship OL has targetlocked to reroll 1 die since OL's ability only works on the ship he's targeted.

Same exact ruling as Palp: its an outside force, not an enabled ability.

That's great! Thank you all for your help. This has really helped clear things up for me.

15 hours ago, Vineheart01 said:

Things that force another ship to reroll count the ship that forced the reroll as rerolling the dice, ala Zuckuss, Elusiveness, or R7 Astromech.
M9G8's ship is the ship thats modifying the roll. Unless hes targeted by OL he can force the ship OL has targetlocked to reroll 1 die since OL's ability only works on the ship he's targeted.

Same exact ruling as Palp: its an outside force, not an enabled ability.

So by outside force you mean a must clause? Because otherwise I don't see how it is different than Howlrunner, or Jonus on snap shot.

Basically yes. Howlrunner doesnt force the ship to do anything, the ship itself chooses to use the ability granted by Howlrunner. M9G8 doesnt give the targeted ship an ability to use.

2 hours ago, FourDogsInaHorseSuit said:

So by outside force you mean a must clause? Because otherwise I don't see how it is different than Howlrunner, or Jonus on snap shot.

It's not a must clause though that's a hint. Howlrunner allows ships at range 1 to reroll 1 die. She does not pick what they reroll she just enables them to. M9G8, Palpatine, Zuckuss, r7, elusiveness, and anything else I'm forgetting all very specifically state that the owner of the effect chooses a die and forces some sort of modification. The 'choose' is the key word to indicate who is causing the modification. If (for example) howlrunner's ability was 'other friendly ships at range 1 must reroll 1 die when attacking' she would still be locked out by omega leader because the key isn't the 'must'.