Reads Title.

hmm why did I comment on this before?

Ah, I was being a jerk.

So alls good in the world there.

tldr... not the one with all the mosques

1 hour ago, Undeadguy said:

Now that NoVa is getting closer, who all is going? I'll be there on Friday for the second heat.

Same

Just now, Ginkapo said:

So alls good in the Minnesota Regionals there.

FTFY

You guys who aren't a part of the FB group and are planning to attend should be aware that the TO has a unique ruling on Sloane's ability. We are hoping that FFG comes in to clarify one way or the other before the tournament, but his ruling is that when Sloane spends a defense token with her ability, the defender gets the benefit of the token (example: Maarek shoots Tycho, spends Tycho's scatter by spending an accuracy in the attack step, and then all attack dice are cancelled due to Sloane's spending).

The rules for this game are dense, and I do sympathize with the guy since he's got a big job of going through all the rules, but I don't see the support for this interpretation in the rules. PLENTY of people are commenting so no need to dogpile on the dude, but I figure everyone should be aware.

39 minutes ago, Caldias said:

You guys who aren't a part of the FB group and are planning to attend should be aware that the TO has a unique ruling on Sloane's ability. We are hoping that FFG comes in to clarify one way or the other before the tournament, but his ruling is that when Sloane spends a defense token with her ability, the defender gets the benefit of the token (example: Maarek shoots Tycho, spends Tycho's scatter by spending an accuracy in the attack step, and then all attack dice are cancelled due to Sloane's spending).

The rules for this game are dense, and I do sympathize with the guy since he's got a big job of going through all the rules, but I don't see the support for this interpretation in the rules. PLENTY of people are commenting so no need to dogpile on the dude, but I figure everyone should be aware.

I'm fine with this. Have you played against Sloane yet? She makes regular TIE Fighters on par with aces double the cost. She needs to be toned down to an either-or ability.

I have. Really what she does is make aces less attractive to take, which in my opinion is a positive thing. She is a strong admiral, and the Imperials sorely need a strong admiral. Relative strength aside, this ruling does seem a bit out of left field, but of course the TO is taking his job very seriously and examining the rules closely, which is to be applauded. I just disagree that the rules support this interpretation.

On 2/2/2017 at 5:02 PM, Reinholt said:

Historically speaking, I believe the U.S. stopped taking the UK seriously about 241 years ago now, which is even longer ago than wave 1 in Armada.

I, for one, salue Audio Weasel for helping to MAGA (Make Armada Great Again) on behalf of America. Also, I believe Australia is the only country that is also an entire continent, so respect, my Aussie brothers. May you survive one more day in the fight against the wildlife.

Come back when you have more history

59 minutes ago, Caldias said:

You guys who aren't a part of the FB group and are planning to attend should be aware that the TO has a unique ruling on Sloane's ability. We are hoping that FFG comes in to clarify one way or the other before the tournament, but his ruling is that when Sloane spends a defense token with her ability, the defender gets the benefit of the token (example: Maarek shoots Tycho, spends Tycho's scatter by spending an accuracy in the attack step, and then all attack dice are cancelled due to Sloane's spending).

The rules for this game are dense, and I do sympathize with the guy since he's got a big job of going through all the rules, but I don't see the support for this interpretation in the rules. PLENTY of people are commenting so no need to dogpile on the dude, but I figure everyone should be aware.

Your TO has that very wrong then

3 minutes ago, Ma22a said:

Your TO has that very wrong then

He definitely does. We're working on it.

TO just sent a message to FFG. TO posted this in our FB group:

Good Afternoon,
I am the designated TO For the US Nationals being held in Washington D.C. and there is currently a hot debate about ADM Sloane's ability that I'm being asked to make a ruling on in advance of the tournament to provide better clarity for players competing.
The crux of the issue is whether or not ADM Sloane's Spending of the defender's defense token will prevent them from using the same token (or a similar one also equipped) during Step 4 of the attack (defender chooses to spend defense tokens).
I ruled that since Sloane's ability says "spend 1 of the defender's defense tokens" and the Armada Rules reference (ARR) says "The defender cannot spend more than one defense
token of each type per attack" he/she may not elect to spend a similar token for the desired effect (e.g. spend a second brace when one has already been spent by an attacker using Sloane's ability)
However, because i read the token as being spent, and not being spent as part of the cost to produce an effect of an upgrade (Like turbolaser reroute circuits or ADM Darth Vader's ability) that the token produces its normal defense result (e.g. halves the damage in the case of Brace) irrelevant of whether it was the Defender or Attacker who selected to spend the defense token.
To best clarify this issue, I would like to know the following:
1. Does ADM Sloane's ability count as spending for the purpose of allowing the defender to spend the same token (or a similar one) when it becomes his/her turn to elect to spend defense tokens?
2. Do defense tokens only generate their default defense effects when spent by the defender? Or when spent only during step 4 of the attack in the ARR?
I appreciate any assistance you can provide on this issue as my ruling (as written above) and would like to know as soon as possible in order to best alert the coming players the way ADM Sloane should be played.

Very Respectfully

1 hour ago, Tyrant1919 said:

TO just sent a message to FFG. TO posted this in our FB group:

Good Afternoon,
I am the designated TO For the US Nationals being held in Washington D.C. and there is currently a hot debate about ADM Sloane's ability that I'm being asked to make a ruling on in advance of the tournament to provide better clarity for players competing.
The crux of the issue is whether or not ADM Sloane's Spending of the defender's defense token will prevent them from using the same token (or a similar one also equipped) during Step 4 of the attack (defender chooses to spend defense tokens).
I ruled that since Sloane's ability says "spend 1 of the defender's defense tokens" and the Armada Rules reference (ARR) says "The defender cannot spend more than one defense
token of each type per attack" he/she may not elect to spend a similar token for the desired effect (e.g. spend a second brace when one has already been spent by an attacker using Sloane's ability)
However, because i read the token as being spent, and not being spent as part of the cost to produce an effect of an upgrade (Like turbolaser reroute circuits or ADM Darth Vader's ability) that the token produces its normal defense result (e.g. halves the damage in the case of Brace) irrelevant of whether it was the Defender or Attacker who selected to spend the defense token.
To best clarify this issue, I would like to know the following:
1. Does ADM Sloane's ability count as spending for the purpose of allowing the defender to spend the same token (or a similar one) when it becomes his/her turn to elect to spend defense tokens?
2. Do defense tokens only generate their default defense effects when spent by the defender? Or when spent only during step 4 of the attack in the ARR?
I appreciate any assistance you can provide on this issue as my ruling (as written above) and would like to know as soon as possible in order to best alert the coming players the way ADM Sloane should be played.

Very Respectfully

I appreciate that the TO is doing this in advance. I also sent the list I've created of Wave 6/FAQ questions in the rules thread. Hopefully we'll get an answer soon.

As interesting as the TO decision is, y'all can discuss that in the rules thread:

I do think it is important to be aware of the TO's ruling, I'm more interested in who is going. Plus, this thread had been derailed hard before and I, the necromancer, tried to bring peace to its soul by fulfilling its purpose.

I should be attending! Flying in from MN...

6 hours ago, Caldias said:

You guys who aren't a part of the FB group and are planning to attend should be aware that the TO has a unique ruling on Sloane's ability. We are hoping that FFG comes in to clarify one way or the other before the tournament, but his ruling is that when Sloane spends a defense token with her ability, the defender gets the benefit of the token (example: Maarek shoots Tycho, spends Tycho's scatter by spending an accuracy in the attack step, and then all attack dice are cancelled due to Sloane's spending).

The rules for this game are dense, and I do sympathize with the guy since he's got a big job of going through all the rules, but I don't see the support for this interpretation in the rules. PLENTY of people are commenting so no need to dogpile on the dude, but I figure everyone should be aware.

I am going to Nationals as well. Is this FB group open to all attendees?

Just now, IronCondor said:

I am going to Nationals as well. Is this FB group open to all attendees?

It's not a FB group for the event but a regional FB group for Northern VA.

1 minute ago, Caldias said:

It's not a FB group for the event but a regional FB group for Northern VA.

Ah thanks. Good to know. Appreciate you keeping the crowd updated!

I'll be there -- made it into the Friday heat.

Shooting for "top 5 paint schemes" since top anything else won't be happening...

It angers me that FFG does not address these glaring issues (Sloane, TFA) as soon as they are known, which in these cases was 2 months ago.

WTH? Every release this happens. Very unprofessional. What are they waiting for, a ruling from Emperor Palatine???

Just now, Thraug said:

It angers me that FFG does not address these glaring issues (Sloane, TFA) as soon as they are known, which in these cases was 2 months ago.

WTH? Every release this happens. Very unprofessional. What are they waiting for, a ruling from Emperor Palatine???

Its not a known issue? The TO is taking a very perverse interpretation that has no support from any of the rules. How can FFG possibly deal with this?

(Good on the TO for being up front with all this and trying to sort everything out in advance, its admirable)

5 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Its not a known issue? The TO is taking a very perverse interpretation that has no support from any of the rules. How can FFG possibly deal with this?

(Good on the TO for being up front with all this and trying to sort everything out in advance, its admirable)

Questions on these cards were submitted to FFG weeks ago, by multiple people, including me.

3 minutes ago, Thraug said:

Questions on these cards were submitted to FFG weeks ago, by multiple people, including me.

TFA doesnt stack. There is no other interpretation permitted within the rules.

Sloane does not trigger the token effect for the defender.

On 2 February 2017 at 3:06 PM, FourDogsInaHorseSuit said:

When your country is as big as a continent you get to ignore everyone else too.

Have the USA annexed Canada and Mexico, I missed that one in the news....... Now Australlia really is as big as a continent and they love to socialise.

On 02/02/2017 at 3:06 PM, FourDogsInaHorseSuit said:

When your country is as big as a continent you get to ignore everyone else too.

The continent extends a bit more South, not only because you guys decided that from USA and up is North America doesn't mean America is only there. Brazil sends their regards (FYI Alaska doesn't count, so we're bigger!)

35 minutes ago, Johnnyreb said:

Now Australlia really is as big as a continent and they love to socialise.

They even come to Eurovision