29 minutes ago, costi said:

So they are reusing minis, making them in sh*tty plastic and charging $30 per pack?

You look quite upset with this game. Are you so deceived so far ?

2 hours ago, Muz333 said:

Not sure that's what they make their models with but I get your point!

GW and others use a styrene plastic, also called HIPS, hard plastic or sometimes sprue plastic. IA minis are PVC, which in my opinion is garbage, especially for table top games.

Hard plastic is the way to go. Great detail and easy to clean and assemble.

The material is the one thing that will prevent me from going all in.

8 minutes ago, Feldwebel_Francis said:

GW and others use a styrene plastic, also called HIPS, hard plastic or sometimes sprue plastic. IA minis are PVC, which in my opinion is garbage, especially for table top games.

Hard plastic is the way to go. Great detail and easy to clean and assemble.

The material is the one thing that will prevent me from going all in.

Ah, I was thinking it was a typo, polystyrene being the white brittle packing stuff but I never realised polystyrene plastic was a real thing. My bad!

19 minutes ago, Feldwebel_Francis said:

GW and others use a styrene plastic, also called HIPS, hard plastic or sometimes sprue plastic. IA minis are PVC, which in my opinion is garbage, especially for table top games.

Hard plastic is the way to go. Great detail and easy to clean and assemble.

The material is the one thing that will prevent me from going all in.

Clearly you haven't seen the figures from the DOOM board game.

FFG has come a long way when it comes to quality PVC miniatures. I'm starting to prefer them to styrene.

15 minutes ago, Muz333 said:

Ah, I was thinking it was a typo, polystyrene being the white brittle packing stuff but I never realised polystyrene plastic was a real thing. My bad!

You are thinking of extruded (closed cell) polysyrene. But it comes in many different forms and can indeed be quite good hard(ish) plastic

1 hour ago, costi said:

So they are reusing minis, making them in sh*tty plastic and charging $30 per pack?

I won't comment on the material because I wish it were different but reusing minis? no they are all resculpts, the world is already created though so there will be similarities in style and appearance but on top of being resculpted they do look to be more detailed from the pictures and comparing them to descent 1st ed. models...could just be a progression of modeling quality since then though.

4 hours ago, Tvayumat said:

Clearly you haven't seen the figures from the DOOM board game.

FFG has come a long way when it comes to quality PVC miniatures. I'm starting to prefer them to styrene.

I haven't and won't, no desire to get the game, but I have yet to have a PVC mini that I didn't hate working on.

Now, maybe these minis will be fantastic, which would be great, but I am not jumping in on release date. I want to see the figs in hand before I decide to buy.

11 minutes ago, Feldwebel_Francis said:

I haven't and won't, no desire to get the game, but I have yet to have a PVC mini that I didn't hate working on.

Now, maybe these minis will be fantastic, which would be great, but I am not jumping in on release date. I want to see the figs in hand before I decide to buy.

That's reasonable...no hate no rage just caution about the quality of the components, I can get behind that as a reason not to jump into the hype (I scream out the window of the caboose of the hype train lol I am super excited for this game...have I mentioned that before?)

36 minutes ago, Feldwebel_Francis said:

I haven't and won't, no desire to get the game, but I have yet to have a PVC mini that I didn't hate working on.

Now, maybe these minis will be fantastic, which would be great, but I am not jumping in on release date. I want to see the figs in hand before I decide to buy.

That's called being a smart consumer.

I own DOOM and most Imperial Assault expansions and boxes, I've personally seen, worked with, modified, and painted FFG's PVC figures for the last year, and observed the increase in both the quality of their sculpts and materials first hand. I have zero doubt that the figures for RuneWars will be high quality.

I hope they are. I really do. Everything I've seen so far has me really excited for this game. I really want the miniatures to be of a high quality. If they are, I'm all in.

If any of you are stateside and will be at Adepticon in Chicago, I will be demoing runewars with the actual production models. You could stop by the FFG booth and get some hands on time.

I just can't imagine someone choosing not to get this game on the basis of model quality. But I think that just shows my biases. I'm not a miniatures player at heart. Rather, I'm a board gamer focused on gameplay who also happened to get sucked into the lore by FFG's other Terrinoth games. Don't get me wrong -- painting is very fun, but I think I'd be happy to paint whatever lump of plastic you stuck in front of me.

11 hours ago, Elrad said:

You look quite upset with this game. Are you so deceived so far ?

I'm not upset with the game (even if I'm not too keen on the flightpath mechanics in a rank-and-file game), I'm upset with the miniatures. Someone upthread said the undead hero is straight out of Descent, pose included. This is a red flag for me, because the miniature quality in Descent is okay for a board game, but not for a miniature game. The plastic is too soft to allow fine details or crisp edges, it has trouble keeping a straight line (see spears) and removing mould lines is a major PITA. This alone makes the $30 price tag hard to justify, and when I hear that they've recycled a model, it starts to look like a cash grab and it really makes me think twice about getting into the game.

3 hours ago, Budgernaut said:

I just can't imagine someone choosing not to get this game on the basis of model quality. But I think that just shows my biases. I'm not a miniatures player at heart. Rather, I'm a board gamer focused on gameplay who also happened to get sucked into the lore by FFG's other Terrinoth games. Don't get me wrong -- painting is very fun, but I think I'd be happy to paint whatever lump of plastic you stuck in front of me.

For me, this is a miniature game, not a board game. While rules and gameplay come first, model quality is a very close second and "whatever lump of plastic" doesn't cut it.

Well the quality of the sculpt/print is a factor most miniature gamers consider because you want to have good looking models and the higher the quality of your sculpt the more money you can ask for it (no this is not a statement about FFGs pricing) and people are more willing to pay it. Another thing is the material some gamers will only buy metal/resin/plastic miniatures, I personally don't care about the material as long as it is good to work with.

Another point would be, hm how can I call that, let's say the print/production it' doesn't help you if the quality of the sculpt is awesom/has a ton of details if the miniature you're getting is full of mold lines/flash/bubbles and whatnot.

And in my opinion it also makes more fun to paint a well designed and produced miniature, a little example if you will would be the Troy and Evil Troy (a.k.a Ash and Evil Ash from Army of Darkness) for Zombicide I bought, I really enjoyed the movie and thought cool get their minis paint them and have fun in Zombicide with them, now when I got them they were full of flash and it took me quite some time to clean them, coupled with the material I don't like it put me down a little bit. When I finally started painting them I noticed there was still flash on Evil Troy's coat, because I already painted it I left it there ( it's after all just a board game miniature), but it still irks me, yes that might be stupid but that's me

It's been said before, but I wanted to chime in and say that the quality of the more recent FFG miniatures I've purchased (recent Descent expansions like Chains that Rust and the new Doom boardgame) has been much improved.

They're made of a more rigid/dense plastic that with force does bend a little rather than break. There's little, if any flashing or other residue.

The model quality of FFG's PVC figures has increased measurably in the last year.

I think the only weakness they still have are, as mentioned, spears and thin poles tend to bend/warp. These are pretty easily replaced with brass/styrene rod, though. I have zero complaints.

Mold lines, plastic density, sculpt quality, ALL have improved. Compare the Stormtroopers from the IA core set to anything they're releasing now.

I don't even bother with the mold lines anymore. I didn't on any of these figures. The Barons of Hell were even pretty damn simple to cut/repose. Easier than styrene would have been.

those are gorgeous models Tvayumat!

hey Tvayumat

those clear plastic bases, where do you get them and how difficult are they to put on the model? Also, before or after painting?

Warsen.al makes really nice clear bases for the circles and are great guys to deal with, the pill bases I've only seen by Litko but I didn't search very hard...Definitely check out Warsenal (the website is Warsen.al)

41 minutes ago, Tvayumat said:

Mold lines, plastic density, sculpt quality, ALL have improved. Compare the Stormtroopers from the IA core set to anything they're releasing now.

That's good to hear, I haven't painted anything from the expansions as we've still to finish our first campaign so I haven't examined the models closely. If their new models are better I'm glad and I hope removing mould lines is easier, it was a nightmare with the Nexu to remove the lines without destroying the fur texture.

15 hours ago, Budgernaut said:

I just can't imagine someone choosing not to get this game on the basis of model quality. But I think that just shows my biases. I'm not a miniatures player at heart. Rather, I'm a board gamer focused on gameplay who also happened to get sucked into the lore by FFG's other Terrinoth games. Don't get me wrong -- painting is very fun, but I think I'd be happy to paint whatever lump of plastic you stuck in front of me.

Being a miniature gamer, miniature quality is very important. I need to enjoy working on my minis, not have it be a chore. It's why I've stopped purchasing PP's new minis. Their PVC minis are not great.

I love Wild West Exodus minis, hard plastic and resin, and their new resins are phenomenal.

So, for me, everything else can be fantastic but if the miniatures are not I will not jump in. It's not like I don't have enough to work on already.

2 hours ago, Taki said:

hey Tvayumat

those clear plastic bases, where do you get them and how difficult are they to put on the model? Also, before or after painting?

For the small models, they're just epoxy bottle cap stickers, the sort people use to make bottle cap pendants. You can buy 100 for $7 and just take the adhesive off the flat side with acetone. Stick the model down with superglue after painting.

For the larger pill bases, it's just a sheet of 1/16" thick lexan plastic. Cut with scissors, smooth edges with sandpaper, score up a bit, and glue down.

I know there are a lot of tutorials on the web about that, ut when you have a spearman with his spear bending (which is very funny to look at...) how do you straighten it up ? I had once the problem with minis from daysofwonder and just had to plundge my minis in quite warm water before pulling them out, straightening them up and then putting them under cold water to harden the plastic. Is it a good solution or is it history ?

13 minutes ago, Elrad said:

I know there are a lot of tutorials on the web about that, ut when you have a spearman with his spear bending (which is very funny to look at...) how do you straighten it up ? I had once the problem with minis from daysofwonder and just had to plundge my minis in quite warm water before pulling them out, straightening them up and then putting them under cold water to harden the plastic. Is it a good solution or is it history ?

That's a big problem with the FFG PVC miniatures. Personally I opted for stealing the missus's hairdryer to reshape the plastic.

the hairdryer... ah.... ... why haven't I thought about that earlier, hmm ? .... hmmm I don't get it to be honest, how do you reshape a mini with a Hairdryer ? That's a real question of course, I've got two hairdryers at home and no clue how to use them to unbend a mini... (like it would be written in the "manual"...maybe in the chinese version of it, I have to ask... )