Hi everyone,

I started playing Armada again recently since CC came out. Can someone re-explain LOS rules? Specifically, does the defending hull zones LOS dot HAVE to be in the attacking arc, even if just a portion of the defending zone is within the attack arc?

I know this is a basic question but I've been out of the loop since wave 2 or 3. Thanks!

1) A Portion of the Enemy Arc, must be in Your Arc. IE, you must be able to trace a line within your arc, to the enemy Hull Zone targeted.

2) You must be able to trace a line from your LoS Dot, to the Enemy LoS Dot, Without Crossing an Enemy Hull zone other than the Target Zone. (Crossing your own hull Zone line is fine)

3) Range is measured to the portion of the zone that is in arc.

That's the Basics.

Ah, so it's ok. Thanks!

Bonus question: Obstacles affect squadron LOS too, correct?

Example: TIE bomber is siting on top of an asteroid and wants to attack a ship. It basically can't because it would lose a die (It's one black die) due to obstruction.

1 minute ago, Gunner070 said:

Ah, so it's ok. Thanks!

Bonus question: Obstacles affect squadron LOS too, correct?

Example: TIE bomber is siting on top of an asteroid and wants to attack a ship. It basically can't because it would lose a die (It's one black die) due to obstruction.

Correct, with Caveat.

The LOS "Dot" of a Squadron is the closest point of the Base. So when you measure Dot-to-Dot, no part of that LOS can be over the Asteroid.

Ran into this one during a game last night:

Is Counter affected by obstruction?

Yes. Counter is an attack, and is treated as such for every effect that refers to attacks, to include obstruction.

On 30/01/2017 at 5:26 PM, Drasnighta said:

1) A Portion of the Enemy Arc, must be in Your Arc. IE, you must be able to trace a line within your arc, to the enemy Hull Zone targeted.

2) You must be able to trace a line from your LoS Dot, to the Enemy LoS Dot, Without Crossing an Enemy Hull zone other than the Target Zone. (Crossing your own hull Zone line is fine)

3) Range is measured to the portion of the zone that is in arc.

That's the Basics.

(My bolding on 3).

I thought that I had this down 100% but the wording of points 3 has made me question my understanding.

I thought range was just measured from the closest points of the attacking and defending hull zone.

P7 RRG:

"To measure attack range from a ship, measure from the closest point of the attacking hull zone. To measure attack range to a ship, measure to the closest point of the defending hull zone."

There's no qualifier that the portion of the hull zone being measured to must be in arc.

My understanding is that you might have just a corner of the defending hull zone that is in arc. That corner may be just beyond (for example) red range. However, if the closest part of that hull zone is actually in red range (and you meet the LOS criteria) then you could attack.

I'm not quibbling here, just making sure I've got this right.

Sorry but range to the target hull zone must be within the firing arc.

This is in the Erratta section of the FAQ.

This may also lead to the situation where the target zone is at close range of one hull zone and medium range of another.

Yes we all know this makes attacking a bit complicated but it's the rules.

Ah yes, damn you errata:

"Measuring Firing Arc and Range, p.7
This entry should include the following paragraph:
“When measuring attack range for a ship, ignore any portion of
the defender that is outside the attacking hull zone’s firing arc,
even if that portion is at a closer range.”
Measuring Firing Arc and Range, p.7"

I've never picked up on that.

Edit: am I still right in saying that the LoS dot on the defender can be outside of the attacker's arc, as long as you meet all the other requirements?

49 minutes ago, ManInTheBox said:

Edit: am I still right in saying that the LoS dot on the defender can be outside of the attacker's arc, as long as you meet all the other requirements?

Yes. The LOS check with the DOTS has nothing to do anymore with the firing arc.

I have a question about the dot and jamming barrier. As long as what matter is the dot when checking the barrier special rule I think a ship could be passed the line between the objective tokens and still removing dice cause the dot didn't pass yet. Am I right?

7 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I have a question about the dot and jamming barrier. As long as what matter is the dot when checking the barrier special rule I think a ship could be passed the line between the objective tokens and still removing dice cause the dot didn't pass yet. Am I right?

Yes. "... if the line of sight is traced..." means the standard is based on where the LoS line is, not the range line or anything else.

41 minutes ago, Tokra said:

Yes. The LOS check with the DOTS has nothing to do anymore with the firing arc.

Thanks. The errata had me questioning my understanding of the rules.