1 hour ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Not true I didn't even look at his lightsaber skill. I'm just going by his post here:

(emphasis mine). So, my take was he wants to play either a Sentinel or a Mystic as a career, not simply "narratively". So, if that's what he wants, that's what he should get.

regardless of whatever number of ranks the build has in lightsaber, and it pretty much didn't matter because you knew the build had willpower 6 and niman-disciple, so you already knew the character would wreck Korath (at least with your jack of all trades master of none build for him) in a lightsaber duel, and dropping a spec would drop a dedication which if not applied to willpower would weaken the lightsaber ability. You made this specific request (decrease willpower) for a change to Elias' build, so yeah you knew, and I knew you knew, and I know you didn't have to look at the lightsaber skill to know that.

And regarding what Matt WANTS, after seeing a summary of the proposed build, as in before I made it in OggDude's generator, he said

On 6/15/2017 at 0:41 AM, Matt Skywalker said:

Bring up my presence.

Now that's my guy

so obviously it is what he want, and I made it according to what he said he wanted,

You like to selectively take the *parts* of what people say that you consider to be to your advantage. And you seem to be forgetting, or not failing to realize, that I know you well enough to recognize your patterns of self interested behavior and will call you on them. My purpose in this thread is to make sure that Matt gets "a fair shake" out of this campaign and honestly I don't trust you to give him one without my intervention on his behalf.

That post he made was in basic response to the general list of specs and stats you initially listed. At that point you never suggested you would be starting that character with the Bounty Hunter career when he specifically asked for either the Sentinel career or Mystic career.

55 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

That post he made was in basic response to the general list of specs and stats you initially listed. At that point you never suggested you would be starting that character with the Bounty Hunter career when he specifically asked for either the Sentinel career or Mystic career.

You really love the bait and switch/misappropriation/mis-attribution of comments for your own perceived "benefit" don't you? that post specifically spelled out the inclusion of force sensitive emergent, which he responded to with "that's my guy" something that *you* were saying should be removed

now presuming for the moment that this really was an honest misunderstanding on your part, your "you never suggested you would be starting that character with the bounty hunter career" claim is just blatantly false, see the bolded section below

On 6/14/2017 at 7:28 PM, EliasWindrider said:

Tramp appears to be adverse to you playing Elias which is ok, we can accommodate him, I can build you a kick as signature character of your own. I'd actually recommend a green nikto with a repulse fist.

The build I was thinking of involved the specs niman-disciple (consular), sentry (sentinel), force sensitive emergent (universal from AoR), and martial artist (bounty hunter). niman disciple, sentry, or martial artist could be first (I like the signature abilities of bounty hunter best but the sentinel's are cool too) imo. the primary stat is willpower (for lightsaber, force powers, resisting force powers, initiative, resisting fear, coercion), which thanks to force of will (talent in force sensitive emergent) it can use willpower for any check once ber game session (what that means in the context of play by post has to be worked out), and thanks to mind over matter from martial artist can be used to recover strain. it has force rating 4 and 4 dedicationso so willpower 6, brawn 4 is easily doable, force powers are sense, enhance, move (fairly well filled out), with the expenditure of 1 strain per attack, incoming melee attacks would face 2 red 1 purple and 2 black, important because martial artist has the over balance talent which can stagger an opponent who attacks you with a despair or 3 threat, you are nigh unhitable thanks to the high defense and coordination dodge and every time you score a critical hit (with a brawl, melee, or lightsaber attack) you can choose to spend the critical to flip a darks idea destiny point to a light side destiny point so you'll be able to use mind over matter and coordination dodge at will. If you ever do get hit you have 5 ranks of reflect, and improved reflect to bounce blaster bolts back at them, and 5 ranks of parry and unarmed parry, so as long as you have 1 free hand (as clarified by ffg developer max Brooke on the order 66 podcast) you can parry for 2 strain instead of 3, and in case you are ever deprived of all weapons you are a total beast at brawling, able to criticize with only 1 advantage, and dealing 5 damage plus successes (or by expending 2 strain 10 damage plus successes), and you might even have some pierce to go along with that, and when brawling if you critical once per round you can choose the critical that gives you a free extra attack with the same dice pool, and on the second attack/critical you can choose to generate the lights idea destiny point, and thanks to your repulse fist, the 2 black dice from the consular's 2 ranks of defensive training applies to every melee attack ever made against you. Thanks to the constant vigilance talent willpower of 6 and I think 4 ranks of uncanny reactions you would almost always roll the top initiative spot (unless someone rolled more triumphs than you).

I figure the starting xp would be spent to get you a 4 in brawn and willpower for 2 extra points of wound and strain threshold, besides brawn and willpower, starting attributes would have a 1 in presence and 2's in everything else, you'd use the first 2 dedications to get you to 6 willpower, what else would you like to increase with your remaining 2 dedications?

and as for whether he liked the character starting with bounty hunter career after he had seen it

On 6/16/2017 at 0:13 AM, Matt Skywalker said:

unfortunately, I don't know the bounty hunter signature abilities. But still great character

so Matt *is* getting what he wants with this build

Back when Matt first joined these boards, I correctly guessed his age and education level from forum name and his first thread on these boards. Because I was proverbially able to crawl into his head I'm pretty sure I have a decent feel for what he wants out of a character, e.g. I knew he wanted a jedi back when you were trying to pawn hacker off on him. My past exchanges with Matt Skywalker on these boards also suggested to me that also long a the build fit Matt's desired narrative theme, he'd go with whatever build gave him the biggest game mechanical advantage. The primary motivation for putting bounty hunter first was to get him an extra free skill rank and extra free career skill (that's what FaD careers sacrifice to start with a force rating) given that the build REQUIRED force sensitive emergent (which sacrifices 4 bonus career skills to provide an initial force rating) regardless of which career it started with, it just makes mechanical sense to start bounty hunter, the bounty hunter also has one signature ability that fits for a sentinel and one combat awesomeness signature ability, I honestly didn't know which of these Matt would want, he has the opportunity to attache which if either to attach to martial artist, and the whole of it was my SUGGESTION for Matt, the filename has "TAKE1" it, if he wants changes, I'll make whatever changes he wants. But your desire to tone Matt's character down... well it just isn't relevant.

Man you two have some epic beef between you two!

3 hours ago, TheShard said:

Man you two have some epic beef between you two!

Tramp and I are good friends in real life. The last time I gamed with him and he played his gmpc Korath I didn't get a fair shake and might need counseling to deal with issues from that (not hyperbole), tramp said he's mellowed since then and I believe him, but I don't want Matt to have the same experience gaming with Tramp that I did. I'm guessing that I am more than a little defensive/protective of anyone who might game with Tramp because of my issues. And Tramp, his character flaw is he is just stubborn and actually loves to argue (and he can't see the fine line between debating and arguing), which is largely why I have "issues" when it comes to gaming with him. By the way, I am the person sending Tramp ffg star wars books for his birthday and Christmas, so there isn't lasting hard feelings about this... we just "argue like an old married couple" it's our natural way of interacting. It doesn't excuse my behavior but the only way i know how to "reason" with tramp is to "beat him down" in an argument.

Of course the issue I have here is not a matter of this potential character being "better" than Korath. I could care less about that. It's a matter of the character created is not one of the careers Matt specifically asked for. Simply as a character it's fine. It's just not made using one of the careers Matt asked for. If a player asked me specifically to make a character for him/her using a choice of two specific careers, I would make sure I used one of those specific careers, not a completely unrelated one.

Why don't you gm this elias?

24 minutes ago, TheShard said:

Why don't you gm this elias?

He's got a kid on the way. ?

Its a pbp its kid friendly!

6 minutes ago, TheShard said:

Its a pbp its kid friendly!

ROFLMAO!!!!!

Not quite what I meant.

I got a gm willing to do a high xp campaign against Luke's new Sith order! Pbp with a bi weekly live session on discord!

5 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Of course the issue I have here is not a matter of this potential character being "better" than Korath. I could care less about that. It's a matter of the character created is not one of the careers Matt specifically asked for. Simply as a character it's fine. It's just not made using one of the careers Matt asked for. If a player asked me specifically to make a character for him/her using a choice of two specific careers, I would make sure I used one of those specific careers, not a completely unrelated one.

Tramp has a hard time being unbiased i.e. not favoring Korath over other characters (he has ulterior motives/an agenda) whether or not he'll admit it (to be fair, I don't think he's even willing to admit his bias to himself, i.e. he's self deceiving/deluded about his own motivations), but I can see through him because I know him so well, and can spot the discrepancies between his actions and true intent. E.g. this "excuse" Tramp is giving now doesn't float in the context of his "suggestion" to drop force sensitive emergent (which he mistakenly called exile), especially after he wanted me to tone down (literally decrease willpower and put fewer ranks in lightsaber, etc. because Korath has focused on lightsaber for decades and Elias shouldn't be that much better since he doesn't have as much experience, this is a MILD paraphrase of his actual verbiage) the build for Elias I put together when I was considering playing in this game.

BTW I am pretty sure that third parties took away an entirely different "tone" from Tramp and my exchanges in this thread then either of us intended to project. Try reading it with the tone of a "debate" not an "argument" and you'd get closer to the vocal tone we'd be using in person.

And I did consider offering to GM this pbp as recently as yesterday, but Tramp is right: my impending kiddo, Samuel Lucas ... (T minus 7 weeks and counting) has to take priority over gaming. I've also abdicated GMing duties for my gaming group because of my child, a player of mine is taking over and he's going to be running a KotoR game. I'm the person with all the books so I still have a support roll (helping other player build/update characters) and that has to take precedence over GMing a pbp

14 minutes ago, EliasWindrider said:

Tramp has a hard time being unbiased i.e. not favoring Korath over other characters (he has ulterior motives/an agenda) whether or not he'll admit it (to be fair, I don't think he's even willing to admit his bias to himself, i.e. he's self deceiving/deluded about his own motivations), but I can see through him because I know him so well, and can spot the discrepancies between his actions and true intent. E.g. this "excuse" Tramp is giving now doesn't float in the context of his "suggestion" to drop force sensitive emergent (which he mistakenly called exile), especially after he wanted me to tone down (literally decrease willpower and put fewer ranks in lightsaber, etc. because Korath has focused on lightsaber for decades and Elias shouldn't be that much better since he doesn't have as much experience, this is a MILD paraphrase of his actual verbiage) the build for Elias I put together when I was considering playing in this game.

BTW I am pretty sure that third parties took away an entirely different "tone" from Tramp and my exchanges in this thread then either of us intended to project. Try reading it with the tone of a "debate" not an "argument" and you'd get closer to the vocal tone we'd be using in person.

And I did consider offering to GM this pbp as recently as yesterday, but Tramp is right: my impending kiddo, Samuel Lucas ... (T minus 7 weeks and counting) has to take priority over gaming. I've also abdicated GMing duties for my gaming group because of my child, a player of mine is taking over and he's going to be running a KotoR game. I'm the person with all the books so I still have a support roll (helping other player build/update characters) and that has to take precedence over GMing a pbp

Well, you're definitely reading the wrong intent here. As I said, I only did a cursory look over of the sheet, and pretty much stopped at the list of Career and Specs, when I noticed that you didn't give him either of the careers he asked for. The only reason why I said scrap Emergent is because, it's not necessary if the character has a Force using career to start with, and Matt specifically asked for one of two Force using careers . He asked for either a Sentinel or a Mystic, not a Bounty Hunter.

1 hour ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Well, you're definitely reading the wrong intent here. As I said, I only did a cursory look over of the sheet, and pretty much stopped at the list of Career and Specs, when I noticed that you didn't give him either of the careers he asked for. The only reason why I said scrap Emergent is because, it's not necessary if the character has a Force using career to start with, and Matt specifically asked for one of two Force using careers . He asked for either a Sentinel or a Mystic, not a Bounty Hunter.

That doesn't fly tramp, in a previous post the reason for emergent was specified as the force of will talent which only appears in emergent.

Now even presuming that you somehow missed this in the post proposing the build for Matt's character... that still doesn't fly because of your very similar past history of saying the same thing for the very similar Elias build which also had emergent (from which you knew the explicit purpose of taking emergent/force of will was to not have to choose between lightsaber/force power badassery and wide ranging usefulness), where *you* specified your at the time motivation was so Elias woundn't be that much better at a lightsaber and force powers than Korath.

Now given that Matt didn't use the word "career" in his request post, you are seriously overextending your "sentinel vs. Mystic vs. Bounty hunter *CAREERS*" argument, as it very well could mean use a specialisation from the career and keep the theme, especially SINCE I got Matt's enthusiastic buy in with a build summary I before actually built the character and Matt called the candidate build a great build before you objected to the absence of the mystic and sentinel CAREERS, which as you should have noticed Matt did NOT object to.

The point is Matt and I had previous interaction on these boards from which I knew Matt wanted to play a powerful jedi, this was when you were trying to pawn your sidekick Droid off on him. Furthermore, Matt asked for help with putting together a good high level build BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE DEEP KNOWLEDGE OF THE ENTIRE SET OF OPTIONS, and ***I*** knew he was gunning for the biggest game mechanical advantage that fits his *concept* (a sneaky or mystical jedi).

I mean come on, how can you NOT pick up on the implications of him choosing Matt ***SKYWALKER*** as his SCREEN NAME? The part of the build I most unsure of whether he'd go for was the character being a green nikto instead of human.

7 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Of course the issue I have here is not a matter of this potential character being "better" than Korath. I could care less about that. It's a matter of the character created is not one of the careers Matt specifically asked for. Simply as a character it's fine. It's just not made using one of the careers Matt asked for. If a player asked me specifically to make a character for him/her using a choice of two specific careers, I would make sure I used one of those specific careers, not a completely unrelated one.

Which means that there are other matters of a lower priority. Now, if you couldn't care less....

(Sorry...a little linguistic pet peeve of mine.)

36 minutes ago, EliasWindrider said:

That doesn't fly tramp, in a previous post the reason for emergent was specified as the force of will talent which only appears in emergent.

Now even presuming that you somehow missed this in the post proposing the build for Matt's character... that still doesn't fly because of your very similar past history of saying the same thing for the very similar Elias build which also had emergent (from which you knew the explicit purpose of taking emergent/force of will was to not have to choose between lightsaber/force power badassery and wide ranging usefulness), where *you* specified your at the time motivation was so Elias woundn't be that much better at a lightsaber and force powers than Korath.

Now given that Matt didn't use the word "career" in his request post, you are seriously overextending your "sentinel vs. Mystic vs. Bounty hunter *CAREERS*" argument, as it very well could mean use a specialisation from the career and keep the theme, especially SINCE I got Matt's enthusiastic buy in with a build summary I before actually built the character and Matt called the candidate build a great build before you objected to the absence of the mystic and sentinel CAREERS, which as you should have noticed Matt did NOT object to.

The point is Matt and I had previous interaction on these boards from which I knew Matt wanted to play a powerful jedi, this was when you were trying to pawn your sidekick Droid off on him. Furthermore, Matt asked for help with putting together a good high level build BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE DEEP KNOWLEDGE OF THE ENTIRE SET OF OPTIONS, and ***I*** knew he was gunning for the biggest game mechanical advantage that fits his *concept* (a sneaky or mystical jedi).

I mean come on, how can you NOT pick up on the implications of him choosing Matt ***SKYWALKER*** as his SCREEN NAME? The part of the build I most unsure of whether he'd go for was the character being a green nikto instead of human.

The fact that he picked "Skywalker" as his screen name, specifically wants to play a Jedi, and asked for one of two specific careers, is clear enough that he wanted a character who starts as a Force user in a Force using career . The fact that he specifically asked for either Mystic or Sentinel (not Bounty Hunter turned Force user later) is pretty clear to me that he wants the character to start out as a Force user in a Force using career , not an EotE or AoR career.

As for your namesake character, that was a completely different situation. In that situation it didn't make sense for a student to suddenly become so much better than his teacher, who had much more experience and training I might add, especially given that I didn't boost Korath's stats any during the conversion, and you boosted Elias great deal, far beyond what was realistic. If' you're going to convert a character, the idea is to make that conversion as close as possible to the original, mechanically, in terms of stats, skills, talents, etc.

There's a reason why I gave the range of 1500- 2000 XP. I'm not concerned about being the "most powerful" character in the group. I don't care about that. I do care about converted characters matching their original versions, and I do care about players getting the careers and specializations they asked for if they're asking for help writing up a new one from scratch. You're the one who seems to be trying to "out do" Korath out of, as you said yourself, "issues" you have resulting from our old campaign because you felt you didn't get a "fair shake". It's as if you're trying to put Korath in his place by creating some "uber character" who is better than Korath at everything. I don't care about that. I didn't convert Korath as the "most powerful" Jedi in the galaxy. I recreated him as faithfully as possible to his original D6 stats, not "optimized", nor min-maxed to be some "uber character". That's how I look at all of the "signature" characters. They should look like they advanced organically rather than having been artificially "optimized" and min-maxed".

Just now, Nytwyng said:

Which means that there are other matters of a lower priority. Now, if you couldn't care less....

(Sorry...a little linguistic pet peeve of mine.)

1 hour ago, Tramp Graphics said:

The fact that he picked "Skywalker" as his screen name, specifically wants to play a Jedi, and asked for one of two specific careers, is clear enough that he wanted a character who starts as a Force user in a Force using career . The fact that he specifically asked for either Mystic or Sentinel (not Bounty Hunter turned Force user later) is pretty clear to me that he wants the character to start out as a Force user in a Force using career , not an EotE or AoR career.

As for your namesake character, that was a completely different situation. In that situation it didn't make sense for a student to suddenly become so much better than his teacher, who had much more experience and training I might add, especially given that I didn't boost Korath's stats any during the conversion, and you boosted Elias great deal, far beyond what was realistic. If' you're going to convert a character, the idea is to make that conversion as close as possible to the original, mechanically, in terms of stats, skills, talents, etc.

There's a reason why I gave the range of 1500- 2000 XP. I'm not concerned about being the "most powerful" character in the group. I don't care about that. I do care about converted characters matching their original versions, and I do care about players getting the careers and specializations they asked for if they're asking for help writing up a new one from scratch. You're the one who seems to be trying to "out do" Korath out of, as you said yourself, "issues" you have resulting from our old campaign because you felt you didn't get a "fair shake". It's as if you're trying to put Korath in his place by creating some "uber character" who is better than Korath at everything. I don't care about that. I didn't convert Korath as the "most powerful" Jedi in the galaxy. I recreated him as faithfully as possible to his original D6 stats, not "optimized", nor min-maxed to be some "uber character". That's how I look at all of the "signature" characters. They should look like they advanced organically rather than having been artificially "optimized" and min-maxed".

You honestly don't have a clue what Matt is looking for do you?

The Elias build was *hundreds* of xp less than Korath. just because your jack of all trades master of none strategy of building Korath gimped Korath mechanically is no reason for me to have similarly gimped Elias. Your insistance that it be so is nothing more thsn arrogance/ego/selfishness on your part.

And the Elias build was faithful to the original character concept. If you need a reason why a much A MUCH LOWER XP character can be better than a high xp more experienced character how are these

"Jack of all trades master of none" Korath wasn't nearly as focused/determined as Elias

Consider part of Elias' "rapid advancement" repayment for the d20 xp you as GM dramatically shorted Elias on in order to keep him a lower level padawan/apprentice of Korath for an unreasonably long time

You have no clue what i did with Elias in the now *12 years* since I quit your campaign, the ffg rebuild wasn't the huge "sudden advancement" that you claim it was

I'm not sure if I want to actually join this project - mostly because I really don't like GMing since I'm quite horrible at it - but I figured I'd do a quick mock-up of my "master level" character. Its a version of Kallbarr, a Wookiee Technician I played in a mixed Edge/Age/F&D game.

Being almost 60 years old by the time of the battle of Yavin, he was actually still young for a Wookiee. His story really begins way before that during the Clone Wars, as he joined the Republic army long before Kashyyk was under attack (though he was part of that battle as well). After the war and the 'fall' of the Republic, he returned to Kashyyk, only for the planet to suddenly be taken over by the Empire he had once fought for. Thanks to back-breaking Imperial slave labor, he lost quite a bit of his skill, though he regained that over time while fighting in the galactic civil war later. Furthermore, he joined a Mandalorian clan during the galactic civil war, seeing them as his family just as much as his fellow Wookiees on Kashyyk.

As a veteran of two wars now and closing in on his first full century of life, he shows no signs of stopping. Thankfully, Wookiees have an average lifespan that is measured in centuries instead of decades, though the civil war has left some scars on him in the form of various cybernetic replacements and enhancements. When the crew of the Jedi Star attempt to recruit a young Force Sensitive Mandalorian from his clan, he offers his own services to them as well - and thanks to his technical know-how will not only keep the Jedi Star flying, but also help with the technical aspects of the galaxy, from gear maintenance to consulting on the construction of lightsabers. And of course, when the situation calls for it... he knows how to throw a punch or fire a bowcaster, though he tends to leave the fighting to the younger crew members.

Here's the mock-up sheet (made with the minimum for Master level characters at 1500 EXP, has a ton of gear however):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m8a6o200dhdhyny/Kallbarr Master.xps?dl=0

He brings the group resource "Holocron: Mechanics & Ranged Light" with him, refluffed as him offering training in basic and advanced Mechanics and basic self-defense with light weaponry. He was written down exercises and information for usage when he isn't around which is freely available to everyone on board of the Jedi Star.

17 hours ago, EliasWindrider said:

You honestly don't have a clue what Matt is looking for do you?

The Elias build was *hundreds* of xp less than Korath. just because your jack of all trades master of none strategy of building Korath gimped Korath mechanically is no reason for me to have similarly gimped Elias. Your insistance that it be so is nothing more thsn arrogance/ego/selfishness on your part.

And the Elias build was faithful to the original character concept. If you need a reason why a much A MUCH LOWER XP character can be better than a high xp more experienced character how are these

"Jack of all trades master of none" Korath wasn't nearly as focused/determined as Elias

Consider part of Elias' "rapid advancement" repayment for the d20 xp you as GM dramatically shorted Elias on in order to keep him a lower level padawan/apprentice of Korath for an unreasonably long time

You have no clue what i did with Elias in the now *12 years* since I quit your campaign, the ffg rebuild wasn't the huge "sudden advancement" that you claim it was

I know exactly what Matt said he wanted for a character. He said he wanted a Jedi Knight who was either a Sentinel or a Mystic. He didn't ask for a Bounty Hunter turned Force user. He asked for a Sentinel or Mystic Jedi Knight.

And as for Korath, I didn't "gimp" him. I converted him faithfully to his original specs. And his advancement in those previous games was organic . As such, his skills advanced as he used them, and that inherently results in a more "well-rounded" character, rather than one who is focused on only one or two abilities. And even then, I was still pumping quite a bit into his lightsaber skill. So, how do you consider that "gimping"?

3 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

I know exactly what Matt said he wanted for a character. He said he wanted a Jedi Knight who was either a Sentinel or a Mystic. He didn't ask for a Bounty Hunter turned Force user. He asked for a Sentinel or Mystic Jedi Knight.

And as for Korath, I didn't "gimp" him. I converted him faithfully to his original specs. And his advancement in those previous games was organic . As such, his skills advanced as he used them, and that inherently results in a more "well-rounded" character, rather than one who is focused on only one or two abilities. And even then, I was still pumping quite a bit into his lightsaber skill. So, how do you consider that "gimping"?

Tramp, you are way too literal and miss quite a bit of subtext... and coming from *ME* (who has that problem relative to the average person) well that's saying quite a *LOT*.

Q: How did you "gimp" Korath?

A: (short form, I could fill a much longer more detailed post, but for starters)

You claim to value "organic" build strategies which is fine but your build of Korath is organic as in "native" to the SOURCE systems: it isn't organic/native to the FFG system. To elaborate/clarify: your "conversion" of Korath was faithful to the SOURCE systems at the expense of being faithful to the DESTINATION system, FFG star wars. Consequently it is highly inefficient/ineffective even compared to builds that grew "organically" under the FFG system.

Respecting the DESTINATION/FFG system would have been a REBUILD of the CONCEPT according to how you think you would have built him if you had played him from the beginning under the FFG system: i.e. you build to the character's theme/storyline *highlights* not slavish devotion to previous builds under other systems with different mechanics.

Conventional wisdom for the FFG system is to rely on attributes over skills, as in you start with athe least a 4 and a 3 OR four 3's for attributes (other "good" combos are possible for specific species), that generally means you take the extra starting xp and you spend on attributes. You get high ranks in one or 2 or 3 skills and little to no ranks in most skills. Honestly with korath's amount of xp (or even a hundred or two less) you could easily have 4's in four attributes and 2's in the remaining or a 5 4 4 3 2 2 split, while also having 4 force dice, which would make you a *much better* generalist than your current build is.

How many spec's does Korath have? Few builds under the ffg system have more than 3 specs after several *years* of *regular* play since character creation. The additional xp cost for each build is prohibitive especially cross specing. The cross spec cost is one of the reasons that the universal specializations are a good idea for *FaD* characters. And force powers... few characters have more than 5 after several years of regular play *for a force heavy build*.

And if you want me boil this down to a single easy to remember phrase: "your Korath build is jack of all trades master of none while being highly inefficient in the pursuit of being a generalist"

That (for starters) is how you gimped Korath's build.

That's because there is no "subtext" to Matt's statement. He specifically asked for a Sentinel or Mystic. How does that even remotely equate to a Bounty Hunter turned Force user with maybe one Sentinel specs?

as for Korath, if I had created him originally in FFG and advanced him this far, it is actually very likely that he would have ended up with similar range of specs, skills, and Force powers. I'm already considering taking on Teacher as a sixth spec as the game progresses, as well as these new powers. So yes, he was rebuilt to respect the source material. If I hadn't it wouldn't be the same character.

Now, as per Matt's initial request, I am trying to convert a D20 RCR 10th level Wookiee Jedi over to F&D as a Sentinel, though I am running into a few hang ups in converting D20'skill ranks over.

11 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

That's because there is no "subtext" to Matt's statement. He specifically asked for a Sentinel or Mystic. How does that even remotely equate to a Bounty Hunter turned Force user with maybe one Sentinel specs?

as for Korath, if I had created him originally in FFG and advanced him this far, it is actually very likely that he would have ended up with similar range of specs, skills, and Force powers. I'm already considering taking on Teacher as a sixth spec as the game progresses, as well as these new powers. So yes, he was rebuilt to respect the source material. If I hadn't it wouldn't be the same character.

I'll take that as you confirming that you missed the subtext.

8 minutes ago, EliasWindrider said:

I'll take that as you confirming that you missed the subtext.

No. I'm saying that there is no "subtext in his request. He asked for a Jedi with either the Sentinel or Mystic careers, not a Bounty Hunter.

And, as I said in my last edit to the above post, I am trying to convert a straight D20 10th level Wookiee Jedi over to F&D as a Sentinel, though figuring out how to convert the skills over is turning out to be a challenge (and, no, he doesn't have nearly the number of skills, feats, or Force powers that Korath has.

Just now, Tramp Graphics said:

No. I'm saying that there is

mo "subtext in his request. He asked for a Jedi with either the Sentinel or Mystic careers, not a Bounty Hunter.

And, as I said in my last edit to the above post, I am trying to convert a straight D20 10th level Wookiee Jedi over to F&D as a Sentinel, though figuring out how to convert the skills over is turning out to be a challenge (and, no, he doesn't have nearly the number of skills, feats, or Force powers that Korath has.

I say poe-tay-toe you say poe-tah-toe, you are quite insistant that you don't see any subtext... I suspect this is because you are overly literal and are taking 1 or 2 sentences in one post in isolation from his other posts and screen name

FYI the inherent "problem" is trying to "convert" instead of "rebuild"