Hi All,
I would like to solicit some forum feedback. How would you handle a character that is under the effects of the Misdirect basic power and then makes an attack?
The rules are silent on the issue (which could certainly imply there is nothing more that needs to be said!)
Thanks all!
What was the character “misdirected” to perceive?
What is the character attempting to attack, despite the misdirection?
11 hours ago, bradknowles said:What was the character “misdirected” to perceive?
What is the character attempting to attack, despite the misdirection?
Yeah, realized I didn't do a good job of explaining the situation. So here is the scenario:
PC Force user uses the Misdirect basic power + duration upgrade to hide another PC from three bounty hunters. The fourth bounty hunter; an assassin droid is unaffected.
The now 'hidden' PC makes an attack against the Assassin droid (using a fusion cutter if that matters at all).
What, if any effect does this attack have on the status of the misdirect power that is cloaking the 'hidden' PC?
The unaffected droid can attack as normal; he is, after all, unaffected. And unless he drops the Force user then there shouldn't be any changes to the power's effect on the remaining hunters.
This all sounds oddly familiar......
I mentioned my opinion but for the sake of the forum monkeys:
Assuming we're treating the Misdirect effect like invisibility, and the bounty hunters aren't stupid, they'll figure out pretty quick that everyone is invisible due to the Force, or Stealth Fields, or whatever, and make the attempt.
Per page 226 of the AoR core, concealment like "Heavy fog, Thick choking smoke, Darkness of night" puts 3 setback on the attack. Likewise using a Blind (Forged in Battle) so I think in the case of known invisibility, 3 setback, maybe 4 would be in roughly the same ballpark....
Edited by Ghostofman
Yeah, if you melee-attack a droid, you have sort of revealed your position. Savvy gunmen might realize that if they direct fire in that general area, they might hit you! Of course, they might also hit their droid companion.
But hey, droids can be put back together.
3 hours ago, Magnus Arcanus said:Yeah, realized I didn't do a good job of explaining the situation. So here is the scenario:
PC Force user uses the Misdirect basic power + duration upgrade to hide another PC from three bounty hunters. The fourth bounty hunter; an assassin droid is unaffected.
The now 'hidden' PC makes an attack against the Assassin droid (using a fusion cutter if that matters at all).
What, if any effect does this attack have on the status of the misdirect power that is cloaking the 'hidden' PC?
What you are talking about is actually pretty difficult, much more than just the Basic power + Duration, you're going to need a Magnitude Upgrade too, maybe a Strength or possibly the Mastery upgrade. Plus you should probably require a Deception check.
The Basic Power only allows you a single Target and a single object for a single Turn. For three Targets (the three Mercs) you'll need at least one Magnitude upgrade (depending on the PC's Presence). If you want it to last longer than a turn you'll need Duration.
With the above you'll also probably want to have them make a Deception roll because of the nature of the misdirection and that it could result in an NPC death. Regardless you'll basically get a single attack before the Droid reacts. At this point the conditions change dramatically, you're no longer just hiding a PC moving up and making an attack but an actual melee combat. If you haven't required a Deception roll yet you should now.
The other option is to use a Strength upgrade to cover both the PC and the Droid, or the Mastery upgrade and create an illusion the covers the entire combat.
One you've done this then I'd use the fighting Blind rule Ghostofman mentioned.
1 hour ago, FuriousGreg said:What you are talking about is actually pretty difficult, much more than just the Basic power + Duration, you're going to need a Magnitude Upgrade too, maybe a Strength or possibly the Mastery upgrade. Plus you should probably require a Deception check.
The Basic Power only allows you a single Target and a single object for a single Turn. For three Targets (the three Mercs) you'll need at least one Magnitude upgrade (depending on the PC's Presence). If you want it to last longer than a turn you'll need Duration.
With the above you'll also probably want to have them make a Deception roll because of the nature of the misdirection and that it could result in an NPC death. Regardless you'll basically get a single attack before the Droid reacts. At this point the conditions change dramatically, you're no longer just hiding a PC moving up and making an attack but an actual melee combat. If you haven't required a Deception roll yet you should now.
The other option is to use a Strength upgrade to cover both the PC and the Droid, or the Mastery upgrade and create an illusion the covers the entire combat.
One you've done this then I'd use the fighting Blind rule Ghostofman mentioned.
Yes, in fact a Magnitude upgrade was used (in fact the PC in question had 2 ranks of Magnitude upgrades, and a presence of 2, so it allowed up to four additional targets to be affected by the obfuscation). It did not require a Strength or Mastery upgrade, as the PC in question wasn't trying to create illusions, he was just trying to keep the other PC from view. I also did require a Deception check as part of the pool, and the PC succeeded on the check.
Mostly the Misdirect basic power (which despite all the upgrades is really all that was used here) states those affected cannot perceive the chosen object or person with their senses. I just wasn't sure how literally to interpret this wording. Does it mean they literally have no comprehension there is anything even there anymore? Or is it more of "We can't see, hear, or touch the target, but obviously that fusion cutter attack came from somewhere, so the bounty is still here, just hidden from view."
They certainly knew the target "was" there, and now isn't. So a response from the meatbags along the lines of "they have some prototype stealth field, but look at rusty, he's fighting a ghost!" would be fitting. But the droid sees all.
so what effects would I allow:
The other Bounty Hunters can attack with 3 Setback on top of any defence, and upgraded once if they attack with Ranged into an engagement.
The hidden PC could Engage and Disengage the meatbag bounty hunters for free, as if it was a friendly target.
If the Force User activated Strength then they could hide the Droid as well, making it impossible for the meatbags to attack at all since there is no reference, no sound, nothing to go by.