1 hour ago, KungFuFerret said:

I wouldn't call the suicide ramming a "hyperspace weapon" so much as someone making practical use of an aspect of hyperspace travel that was established back in New Hope. Han tells Luke quite clearly that they need precise calculations or they will run into stuff. That's basically all she did, she plotted a jump course directly through objects, namely the fleet.

The thing is they could have been testing this with droids since the beginning of time. It is so unrealistic that this would have been the first time it was ever thought of, they may as well have just had a space dragon appear and kill the First Order. Instead they had a purple haired nobody, not only suddenly come up with the idea to hyper-ram, she did it so expertly she destroyed an entire First Order Armada??? I have the hardest time understanding how this can even be defended?
Not only that, but every main character manages to find themselves escaping a giant exploding object they are standing on?? This whole escaping something blowing up is so regurgitated, it was like swallowing vomit to throw it up 3 or 4 times, and swallow it again and again.

The movie was bad, it ranks up there with Phantom Menace, and in it's similarity, had a lightsaber cut in half one of the best things in the movie, just like it's predecessor.

Barf.

12 minutes ago, Silverfox13 said:

The thing is they could have been testing this with droids since the beginning of time. It is so unrealistic that this would have been the first time it was ever thought of, they may as well have just had a space dragon appear and kill the First Order.

It probably wasn't the first time it had ever been done, since the First Order noticed what her plan was, and tried to evade, they were just too slow because Ego and Arrogance.

12 minutes ago, Silverfox13 said:

Instead they had a purple haired nobody, not only suddenly come up with the idea to hyper-ram, she did it so expertly she destroyed an entire First Order Armada??? I have the hardest time understanding how this can even be defended?

She wasn't a purple haired nobody, she was a decorated veteran, who apparently did some really cool thing, You know, like how Admiral Ackbar is apparently considered to be a bada$$ war leader by the fans, despite him doing nothing but stating the incredibly obvious "It's a Trap!". Poe even comments on this, citing her previous military activity when talking to the person next to him. The fact that WE don't know who she is, doesn't mean she's a nobody. And she didn't destroy the entire armada. You do recall that the cap ship was still perfectly functional, as were at least enough ships to deploy an entire ground force of Uber-Walkers, a wing or two of TIE's, and troops. She gave them a bloody nose, and scattered them enough to stop the bombardment of the shuttles.

12 minutes ago, Silverfox13 said:

Not only that, but every main character manages to find themselves escaping a giant exploding object they are standing on?? This whole escaping something blowing up is so regurgitated, it was like swallowing vomit to throw it up 3 or 4 times.

....what are you even talking about? Are you actually criticizing an ACTION MOVIE for the use of explosions in dramatic ways that would realistically cause injury to those who were flown away by them? Well then I hope you have that same level of acid for basically every action movie ever made ever since the dawn of time, and until the end of time. Because that's about as standard of a visual action trope as a romance story having two people who spend an entire movie awkwardly coming to fall in love with each other, and ending with a Dramatic Unrealistic Declaration of Love at the end, that incorporates some minor detail the one being wooed mentioned to the wooie, showing that they really were listening. It's kind of cooked into the fabric of visual storytelling, if you are telling an action story.

12 minutes ago, Silverfox13 said:

The movie was bad, it ranks up there with Phantom Menace, and in it's similarity, had a lightsaber cut in half one of the best things in the movie, just like it's predecessor.

Barf.

You didn't like it, we get it.

30 minutes ago, KungFuFerret said:

You didn't like it, we get it.

Or he really, really loves Phantom Menace!

These kinds of internal logic issues really are endemic in Star Wars, you should just ignore them and enjoy the movies for what they are. Science fantasy, not science fiction.

I mean, why aren't all warships and vehicles operated by droids? Because it's Star Wars.

5 hours ago, Desslok said:

You do realize that the event in question (and the telling of how it went down) is textbook Unreliable Narrator, right? Luke has his story, Ben has his story and the truth is something else entirely.

Then deal with Luke's final omission about the event. Also I said rage fest as a deliberate misrepresentation of the scene

11 minutes ago, splad said:

Also I said rage fest as a deliberate misrepresentation of the scene

Ah, so you confirm that you’re not interested in actually discussing the actual merits of the movie. You just saved a lot of people a lot of time.

2 hours ago, Silverfox13 said:

The thing is they could have been testing this with droids since the beginning of time. It is so unrealistic that this would have been the first time it was ever thought of, they may as well have just had a space dragon appear and kill the First Order. Instead they had a purple haired nobody, not only suddenly come up with the idea to hyper-ram, she did it so expertly she destroyed an entire First Order Armada??? I have the hardest time understanding how this can even be defended?

The purple haired nobody has been established long ago in the canon parts of the eu, hyperspace ramming and hyperspace side effects when going to hyperspace too close to objects had been established long before in canon (ANH, TFA Rebels, several EU books) and she did not destroy the entire neo nazi armada, she damaged one ship and got a few of the escort ships which were used expertly in a close formation, screwing up like only an entitled son of a highly decorated father with literally no practical achievement or experience of his own could screw up. Remember, Hux is a brilliant theoretical mind, but a total moron in the field and furthermore has is position only because he is daddy's son.

Lastly, your obsession with world-building instead of movie-making is funny, because it makes no flying **** of a difference if she conventionally rams the leadership or hyperspace rams it. More boom, but for the story literally the same result, nothing would change for the movie with or without the added epic effect spectacle of that hyperspace collision.

5 hours ago, KungFuFerret said:

I wouldn't call the suicide ramming a "hyperspace weapon" so much as someone making practical use of an aspect of hyperspace travel that was established back in New Hope. Han tells Luke quite clearly that they need precise calculations or they will run into stuff. That's basically all she did, she plotted a jump course directly through objects, namely the fleet.

Again, I was referencing how this affects our understanding of the universe. Yes, we know hyperspace is potentially dangerous, but the source I quoted includes canon references to two other elements; drone ships used as explosive weapons and micro in-system jumps. With these elements available as story vehicles there are a number of additional possiblities that become available in the universe moving forward. (And bc it isn’t “new” to the universe, going backward as well into previously untold stories)

As someone pointed out, they may just not address it bc its space opera, but in all seriousness having something mentioned to disallow its use as a potential weapon at all times might be handy for future stories told in the universe. “Did you know that hypermatter released in hyperjump accidents causes spatial anomalies/radiation etc in the area” (thereby allowing all future instances of why didn’t they do X to be bc they didn’t want to “pollute Space” etc.) That’s the beauty of science fiction/space opera, simply hand wave a solution to the potential use of some expedient solution and move on. GMs in games do it everyday. Additionally, they could lean into it... maybe the Great Hyperspace Wars were really Wars fought using hyperspace as weapons! ****, we always thought the Clone Wars was between Clone armies.

54 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Ah, so you confirm that you’re not interested in actually discussing the actual merits of the movie. You just saved a lot of people a lot of time.

No you determine that for yourself and not for anyone else. Get over it. I'm done discussing this with you cause we don't agree and we won't agree. That's life move on.

1 hour ago, splad said:

Then deal with Luke's final omission about the event.

I don't mean this as snark so don't take it wrong - but you do realize what a unreliable narrator in fiction is right?

6 minutes ago, Desslok said:

I don't mean this as snark so don't take it wrong - but you do realize what a unreliable narrator in fiction is right?

Yes i do, but i was implying that we take it from Luke's perception even though it was unreliable. Just as a hypothetical.

1 hour ago, splad said:

No you determine that for yourself and not for anyone else. Get over it. I'm done discussing this with you cause we don't agree and we won't agree. That's life move on.

Well, how can we agree when you admittedly intentionally misrepresent the subject we’re talking about? It’s impossible to get a baseline reference.

6 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Well, how can we agree when you admittedly intentionally misrepresent the subject we’re talking about? It’s impossible to get a baseline reference.

It was a deliberate exaggeration to show the ludicrous nature of the incident. Or is exaggeration outside of your wheel house. As ive already state we can't find a common ground to converse that's fine I'm ok with that so let's move on.

18 minutes ago, splad said:

It was a deliberate exaggeration to show the ludicrous nature of the incident. Or is exaggeration outside of your wheel house. As ive already state we can't find a common ground to converse that's fine I'm ok with that so let's move on.

It’s an exaggeration that changes the entire context of the scene being discussed, making any “ludicrous nature of the incident” wholly dependent upon the misrepresentation of the scene in order to hold any water.

But, once again, you’re right that we can’t find any common ground because you’re admittedly lying about what we’re talking about.

40 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

It’s an exaggeration that changes the entire context of the scene being discussed, making any “ludicrous nature of the incident” wholly dependent upon the misrepresentation of the scene in order to hold any water.

But, once again, you’re right that we can’t find any common ground because you’re admittedly lying about what we’re talking about.

If that makes you happy to believe what you believe who am I to shatter your illusions to my motivations

19 minutes ago, splad said:

If that makes you happy to believe what you believe who am I to shatter your illusions to my motivations

I’ve neit said nor suggested anything about your motivations, simply your actions. What drives you to take those actions, I don’t know.

But, hey...let’s discuss a movie your way. Back to the Future Part III is on cable right now. How about that scene near the end? You know the one...after returning to 1985, knowing a car accident in a race with Needles permanently injured his hand in the future, Marty gets challenged to the race by Needles, Needles pushes his buttons by calling him “chicken,” so Marty goes into a rage fest and shoots Needles with his gun from the old west. It was ludicrously out of character for Marty.

7 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

I’ve neit said nor suggested anything about your motivations, simply your actions. What drives you to take those actions, I don’t know.

But, hey...let’s discuss a movie your way. Back to the Future Part III is on cable right now. How about that scene near the end? You know the one...after returning to 1985, knowing a car accident in a race with Needles permanently injured his hand in the future, Marty gets challenged to the race by Needles, Needles pushes his buttons by calling him “chicken,” so Marty goes into a rage fest and shoots Needles with his gun from the old west. It was ludicrously out of character for Marty.

Is this a sad cry for attention. When people do not answer you in the way you want is this your pseudo tantrum. Whatever it is, it is very needy. If this soothes your ego then God bless. I'm happy to watch.

8 hours ago, Silverfox13 said:

Instead they had a purple haired nobody

Yes, her hair color surely is significant here.

2 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

Yes, her hair color surely is significant here.

It is telling you am awful lot about the person posting though...

10 hours ago, Desslok said:

Or he really, really loves Phantom Menace!

...and following that chain of logic, is also a big fan of barf?

Not judging. I've met a few dogs who share the sentiment.

1 hour ago, DanteRotterdam said:

It is telling you am awful lot about the person posting though...

Speaking of....
https://www.avclub.com/some-creep-made-an-overtly-sexist-edit-of-the-last-jedi-1822104868

1 hour ago, penpenpen said:

Speaking of....

Quite interesting, as I've read a post in another SW forum, where the poster was whining about how 'Disney enforces women in leading roles' and is therefore 'ruining SW' ...

While I'm not a big fan of the in-your-face feminism of 'Forces of Destiny' (mostly because the stories are crap) myself, it seems there are a lot of guys who need SW to preserve their adolescent self ...

Eh, Forces of Destiny are obviously meant for a far younger audience, so I can more than live with them.

57 minutes ago, Cifer said:

so I can more than live with them

Oh, they don't bother me, either. But it's a bit too obvious to make a whole series about female characters only. If they would at least tell better stories ... The way they do it, it's like a strange mixture of feminism and Disney-princesses ...

55 minutes ago, Sunrider said:

But it's a bit too obvious to make a whole series about female characters only.

Whereas shows about just male characters aren't expected to justify themselves.