On 25.12.2017 at 5:48 AM, RogueCorona said:

Also the idea tht you need to be Mon Calamari to pilot one of their ships was strictly Legends

And it was BS back than as it is now. The Mon Calas are producing ships for the whole Alliance - they don't sell the pilots with them. The thing about those ships is, that each one is different (which is in itself a massive drawback). It's already difficult enough to not be able to switch pilots easily between ships, if one would net a carp to fly one, nobody would buy ships from them anymore.

9 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

First she has him on her improvised "gurney", then she pulls him along on the ground, and then he pulls her from the wreckage of her mono-ski and back to the base.

Pulling is their thing.

Git ya coat luv, ya pulled.

and in regards to poes popularity, only four held them up, yet none seemed in any rush to intervene on Holdens behalf either despite standing right in front of the transport ships. It gave me the impression that she either was unsupported or he was to many a Luke Skywalker of his time, as long as Poe was behind the dash of a starfighter he could do no wrong. Least that's the impression I had of his status within the alliance, unlike Finn or Rey he started off as a full blown hero (while Rey is gifted, she didn't have any inclination to actually help the resistance, at least until the end of awakens), his major lesson was to learn that with great power....

besides, soloing the gun emplacements on a dreadnort? Totally doable with the element of surprise. Tobin Stryder (my Pc) once held off 36 tie fighters independently in recovering the plans, via a combination of sniper shot, playing off their tendency to under estimate and more.

2 hours ago, Sunrider said:

And it was BS back than as it is now. The Mon Calas are producing ships for the whole Alliance - they don't sell the pilots with them. The thing about those ships is, that each one is different (which is in itself a massive drawback). It's already difficult enough to not be able to switch pilots easily between ships, if one would net a carp to fly one, nobody would buy ships from them anymore.

I will note that in Legends, the Mon Cal did not build any of their larger ships for the rebellion, they retrofitted their existing cruisers for combat duties.

1 hour ago, BipolarJuice said:

I will note that in Legends, the Mon Cal did not build any of their larger ships for the rebellion, they retrofitted their existing cruisers for combat duties.

Which does not change the BS of needing a carp to fly them. A military body like the Alliance cannot rely on such ships at all, so if there would be any logic in the old EU (a scarce resource by itself), the Alliance would not have so many Mon Cal ships in its fleet.

8 hours ago, Seguleh said:

I didnt understand why he posted this.

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Ok stan than just keep trolling if it makes u feel better

I just remembered this line from somewhere “the bridge crew of the home one / calamari cruisers consist mostly of mon cal because other species would have problems with the controls and lack the deep harmonic understanding of those ships“ smth like that. I don t remeber where i read it, maybe woolipedia, armada or somewhere else.

Why it should be “complete BS“ to be that way i do not understand, if u fit it for one race its worse for another, even computer mouse for righthanders suck usualy for lefthanders. But for sure in the last 30 years they had enough time to change it.

But besides from the hyperspace ram, what szenes did u like/not like? What about lea s surviving in space and he flight back home

6 minutes ago, Seguleh said:

if u fit it for one race its worse for another

The BS is not that the Mon Cal would build ships to their needs - the BS lies in the Alliance USING them if it were so. A mixed up bunch of species like the Rebellion just has no use for ships that can only be piloted by a certain species. Very bad luck if the last carp falls during battle and nobody else can make the jump to Hyperspace ...

Ok that would be bad indeed. Or hot water streams into the bridge and no mon cal is there to smell delicious.

But i thought it was just harder, not impossible, and the resistance can t be that picky in what they use.... but yes it is very likely they adjusted it

2 hours ago, Sunrider said:

The BS is not that the Mon Cal would build ships to their needs - the BS lies in the Alliance USING them if it were so. A mixed up bunch of species like the Rebellion just has no use for ships that can only be piloted by a certain species. Very bad luck if the last carp falls during battle and nobody else can make the jump to Hyperspace ...

Mon Cal crewed cruiser is better than no cruiser.

10 hours ago, LordBritish said:

besides, soloing the gun emplacements on a dreadnought? Totally doable with the element of surprise. Tobin Stryder (my Pc) once held off 36 tie fighters independently in recovering the plans, via a combination of sniper shot, playing off their tendency to under estimate and more.

Totally doable in the Star Wars space sims as well. My first reaction to only having 26 anti fighter emplacements was that I totally would solo those and send in the bombers afterwards. So the movie got a REALLY good start with me that they actually did do exactly this AND have the captain of the dreadnought acknowledging that it was a big mistake on their part to not have their fighters out in time to prevent exactly this.

In the RPG? My PC and his trusted astromech (also a PC) should be able to get a 151+ crit into a star destroyer before it has the chance to take us down, in a X-Wing. Taking out 13 or so anti-fighter emplacement against nearly no fighter screen should be trivial for us. Brilliant evasion and here we go, killing 4 per turn, we once took out 36 TIE-Fighters as leader of a squadron X-Wings … iirc within 2 turns.

The really bad thing about the scene? Poe going down like a punk again.
They really should reduce him back to PS8 in X-Wing, one point below Vader and the same as Luke

Saw the movie a few days ago, and absolutely loved it. Would put it at #3 on my list behind Empire and Rogue One.

Luke was perfect in it. Loved Leia finally getting a force moment (it was something like 25 years later, why so hard to believe she learned something in that time?).

Wasn't a fan of the bombers initially, but went around to the argument that the Resistance used what they had. Still iffy on it, but oh well.

Really hoping we dont' get a Kylo Ren/Rey toxic relationship. Ugh. What I do want is Chewie to get some revenge for Han. I'd pay double for a Chewie beat down scene.

Luke and R2 was perfect.

Regards to the RT user score, passing these along if not already listed.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/12/20/the-curious-case-of-the-last-jedi-and-its-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score

Note this part from an actual poll of movie viewers:

"comScore surveys almost a thousand audience members in 20 markets immediately after they view the film, including The Last Jedi. So, while Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic showed audience scores in the 50s or lower, comScore showed a score almost at 90 which was in line with both The Force Awakensand Rogue One. comScore was kind enough to allow me to provide you with some of their exit polling data on these three films:

Lots of good data to unpack here, but most importantly, this data shows the audience liked The Last Jedi a great deal. Rating a movie as either “excellent” or “very good” tends to be the key metric in most Hollywood evaluation of content, both in testing and in exit polls. Anything over a score of 80 in the “top two boxes” is concerned a great score, and The Last Jedi has a top two box score of 89. So, if 89% really liked the film, the amount of people who would score the film “poor” or the equivalent of a zero or one score on Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic would be a very small, single digit percentage."

http://mashable.com/2017/12/20/last-jedi-poll.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Anyone can certainly dislike the movie. Totally fair. Saying it split the fanbase though.....well, that's a reach. Not even going to touch the "real fan" bit.

Intresting numbers. The persons i know can be devided into two groups, lets name them “normal people“ like my family, who have seen modt of the movies and just wanna be entertained but have no deeper fanlore and mix up characters etc... and the nerds, who have lego sets, books, miniatures, know all main characters by heart, also most of the planets, have played some computergames etc. The normal people group was absolute amazed, my dad was like “what 3 hours? Wow didn't feel like that and i would come again and see it again in the cinema.“ Most guys from the other group were between quite good and terrible.

To the dreadnought szene: I did the same in tie fighter, but even then it felt wrong. They had a lack of anti small ship weapons 30 years ago designed new ships, and... did the same. They know since 30 years fighters are a problem.... and forget to start their fighters. They have shields, armor, and rocket launchers (i assume)... no match for the firepower of one x wing.... this szene didn t feel like a victory, more like they were beating up a drunken dude who passed out on the floor already an hour ago.

If the bad guys are sooooo ****... how can they be a threat to the galaxy? If those szenes are so onesided, i cant enjoy them. I just sit there roll my eyes and hope its over soon. Not because i wanna be a partypooper, but because they are in my eyes absolutley scripted, not anyhow dynamic, the jokes, the outcome... just unreel the standard hero szene

You know that anecdotal evidence is worthless right?

44 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

You know that anecdotal evidence is worthless right?

Worse than that. Not only does it provide no worthwhile basis for conclusions, it also leads you to make false conclusions. It's toxic.

Yeah, this whole “backlash” has been fueled by such anecdotes.

49 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

Yeah, this whole “backlash” has been fueled by such anecdotes.

That, and an organized effort by the alt-right's online presence.

Makes me wonder why not reveal the Dreadnought's advanced defences are designed to work against up to date starfighters not the 30 year old museum grade fighters the Resistance have been forced to use.

Still doesn't explain why they used those floating death traps over Y-Wings though!?

Maybe they used what they had, not what they wanted.

16 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

Totally doable in the Star Wars space sims as well. My first reaction to only having 26 anti fighter emplacements was that I totally would solo those and send in the bombers afterwards. So the movie got a REALLY good start with me that they actually did do exactly this AND have the captain of the dreadnought acknowledging that it was a big mistake on their part to not have their fighters out in time to prevent exactly this.

In the RPG? My PC and his trusted astromech (also a PC) should be able to get a 151+ crit into a star destroyer before it has the chance to take us down, in a X-Wing. Taking out 13 or so anti-fighter emplacement against nearly no fighter screen should be trivial for us. Brilliant evasion and here we go, killing 4 per turn, we once took out 36 TIE-Fighters as leader of a squadron X-Wings … iirc within 2 turns.

The really bad thing about the scene? Poe going down like a punk again.
They really should reduce him back to PS8 in X-Wing, one point below Vader and the same as Luke

Aye, funnily enough Tobin Stryder wasn't a pilot by trade, agility 4 with one rank in piloting and none within gunnery and none of the cool talents that make pilots difficult to touch. Thankfully the Rodian had two factors on his side, the force was indeed with him, and that his star fighter of choice was a certain star fighter he took from a certain black sun crime lord for almost free. Advanced computers? Mhandling of three? Yes please!

Long story short? He went from only having about 6 confirmed kills to 24 in the timespan of roughly 10 minutes. All the while evading ground defences, and leading them on wild goose chases. XD

despite not being a pilot Tobin probably has flown the largest variety of starship within our group due to his primary occupation; being an theif. Thus far, the list includes a tie interceptor, a HWK-1000 (both stolen from the same hutt in the same heist, the latter he took has his own personal vessel) a tie prototype (after a player left early Tobin took over the controls, despite being recently amputated) countless landers and a tie raptor

the other thing I found interesting was that starfighters seem to ignore shields if they are close enough. Kylo was clearly shown flying within the shield and I suspect that was why the dreadnort was neutered so quickly, Poe was already within the bubble, and the bomber flat out ignored its defences.

*well, just an arm. Guri tore his cybernetic arm off on the way out. Fun story behind that one.

2 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

That, and an organized effort by the alt-right's online presence.

And angry DC-fans have also made similar claims I just found out through the Full of Sith podcast. Apparently they have an axe to grind with Disney over their Marvel movies and funnily it does sort of explains why the disparity between viewer and critic scores tends to show the complete opposite pattern there.

2 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

And angry DC-fans have also made similar claims I just found out through the Full of Sith podcast. Apparently they have an axe to grind with Disney over their Marvel movies and funnily it does sort of explains why the disparity between viewer and critic scores tends to show the complete opposite pattern there.

The sick - and dangerous! - thing here is that a destructive political "movement" will lure people in via their hate for a Star Wars movie, of all things.

They recruit via Gamergate, via Men's Rights Activists and the pick-up scene, and now via Star Wars fandom.

Give disenfranchised people the feeling they are smart, observant and special and convincing them to join your cause becomes a lot easier.

Heck thatbis how cults thrive.

For the record, before that ***** starts again, we are not calling anyone here altright cultist DC-fans.

1 hour ago, LordBritish said:

the other thing I found interesting was that starfighters seem to ignore shields if they are close enough.

As can be seen (not only) in TLJ, when shots hit the shields, those are forming a cocoon around the ship. So, if you get INSIDE this cocoon, there's nothing between you and the ship's armor. Some stories also mention that some shields only protect against energy weapons, while matter can pass unharmed (no protection against debris).

Didn’t Poe prank call Hux to upload something that messed with the shields?