5 minutes ago, Maelora said:

I wasn't a big fan of the whole Evil Rich People Planet sequence. I didn't see the point in Rose and while Finn had potential (I like the actor), the character never seems to realise it. He never gets any agency, and this whole sequence just seems inserted to give them something to do (and as Absol says, they don't even do it very well, even if they get to ride giant space donkeys).

The whole cast seems cluttered going into the last film; yes, the Big Three are now gone but there's a bunch of fairly pointless characters padding out the cast and we still have (literally!) the spectres of the old films too.

I have the horrible feeling that the next movie will be a giant retcon of this one, as in many ways 'Last Jedi' was a parody/subversion of 'Force Awakens'. If Abrams doesn't reveal Rey is a Kardashian, have her marry Finn and/or Poe and/or Ren, and have Darth Snoopy reappear as ludicrously as Maul did, then I'll eat my funny-shaped dice. With green giant space manatee milk.

Stuff Marcy liked:

a) Rey is a nobody! Anyone can be a hero, regardless of your surname and genes! (At least until Captain Lensflare gets his grubby little hands on 'Rerun of the Jedi' or whatever Episode 6.2 is going to be called).

b) Darth Snoopy gets pointlessly redshirted! Because Emperor 1.0 was bad enough in all honestly and we didn't need to see it again.

Stuff Marcy disliked (or at least felt was a bit Werewolf the Forsaken):

a) Mary Poppins. Nuff said.

b) All the Marvel humour. Poe prank calls Moff Ginger: 'You're a poopie-head! Your mother wears combat boots!'

c) Mind-Skype. Actually, I liked the concept; it happens in dreams in the MarcyVerse but I've always felt Star Wars should have proper telepathy. It's just that Rey and Ren didn't feel like they were some kind of living avatars of Light and Dark doing Alignment Seduction to the other. They sounded like a really posh gap-year student having a slight tiff with her edgelord boyfriend.

I'm rubbing off on you. I can't comment on whether this is good or bad for your long-term health .

Oh, Mind-Skype. Don't get me started. If it had just been in dreams, that would have been perfectly fine. Dream prophecy and dreamwalking have always been a part of how the Force works. Or if it had just been telepathy, that'd be fine, too. Or even a mental projection that they could see and no one else could - less fine, but acceptable. And don't even get me started on object manifestation. Just...please don't.

1 minute ago, Absol197 said:

Oh, Mind-Skype. Don't get me started. If it had just been in dreams, that would have been perfectly fine. Or if it had just been telepathy, that'd be fine, too. Or even a mental projection that they could see and no one else could - less fine, but acceptable. And don't even get me started on object manifestation. Just...please don't.

Or they only did it once?....it was F-ing tedious the 3, 4? 5? X we were subjected to it. Then I think it was the last time when Rey says 'I really don't wanna do this now' or whatever. Good grief that was friggin awful. She doesn't wanna Force bicker, but she does wanna fly off and get into a lightsaber duel? Is this a Jedi or my Ex I was thinking??

2 hours ago, StarkJunior said:

Like, enjoy it however you want, or don't. Doesn't matter to me or change my enjoyment, but I also know a lot of people are just upset that they didn't see their favorite pet theory come true

I must admit, it is one of the reasons that I am so pleased with the movie. My favorite pet theory came true. Still, when I left the cinema, I was convinced that it was better than empire °_^
But, fair is fair, I have to watch it a few more times to be really sure and remove the "pet theory" bonus properly.

7 minutes ago, 2P51 said:

Annddddd you're feelings on sea cows?.............

I get the evil rich planet/Disney can't make a film without inserting their politics, which is fine I spose although I kinda prefer being far far away and a long time ago from it all, BUT did it strike anyone as even slightly silly to be all down on weapon dealers and then you run off to hack a dreadnought so you can re-group and buy more guns to keep killing people? They did a great thing with Benicio's character when he is going through the holo sales ledger and points out that hypocrisy to Finn.

Space manatees? I actually love non-space manatees, so maybe I didn't mind this bit. (Until Desslok pointed out how creepily sexual it was, and now I need brain bleach).

But I mean, Luke has to eat something, doesn't he? Porgs are too cute, lizard-nuns are too chewy, so he has to eat Giant Rubber Fish and drink Space Manatee Boobs Juice. I actually get that.

And yeah, politics I'm centre-left on many things and even I thought this was heavy-handed. I'm only mildly surprised we didn't see a Trump expy.

(Disclaimer: the MarcyVerse has politics. But it's not real-world stuff, more like broader issues, such as the morality of war, independence vs power, and 'who watches the watchmen?')

1 minute ago, Maelora said:

Space manatees? I actually love non-space manatees, so maybe I didn't mind this bit. (Until Desslok pointed out how creepily sexual it was, and now I need brain bleach).

But I mean, Luke has to eat something, doesn't he? Porgs are too cute, lizard-nuns are too chewy, so he has to eat Giant Rubber Fish and drink Space Manatee Boobs Juice. I actually get that.

And yeah, politics I'm centre-left on many things and even I thought this was heavy-handed. I'm only miuldly surprised we didn't see a Trump expy.

(Disclaimer: the MarcyVerse has politics. But it's not real-world stuff, more like broader issues, such as the morality of war, independence vs power, and 'who watches the watchmen?')

I assume Luke has to crap also, but I don't need to see him on the Jedi throne reading USA Today!................

I was watching the sea cow thing and it sorta makes noise and I'm immediately making sub titles. Remember when we did that in Star Wars? Greedo? Jabba? Anyway so I was thinking for the sea cow it would either be "Dude, I just peed." or to Rey "Lady, I've been trying to tell this idiot 30 years I'm the male..."

3 minutes ago, Maelora said:

Space manatees? I actually love non-space manatees, so maybe I didn't mind this bit. (Until Desslok pointed out how creepily sexual it was, and now I need brain bleach).

2 minutes ago, 2P51 said:

I assume Luke has to crap also,

It's either a 25 XP Talent or a Signature Ability in the Mystic book...

(and on that unsavoury note, this lady's off to bed...)

I dunno, to me, Star Wars has always been deliberately political - though I much prefer to think of its a commentary and reflection on the good and evil things going on in the world during whatever time they were produced. I'm glad they didn't shy away from it, and I'm glad that it's pretty easy to find people who are the inspiration for people like Hux and organizations like the First Order are supposed to be, and the very same with the Resistance. I guess I've never seen how you can say it's not political.

I also identify a lot with the metathemes going on in the Sequel Trilogy, with shattering expectations of the past and breaking down barriers and doing away with complacency and learning to find your place in the world, beyond being connected to some legacy that really doesn't mean much in the long run - not if you want to evolve and grow beyond it. Star Wars has always been much more about the large overarching metathemes and narratives than plot and story and things to me - it's why TLJ was so awesome because it shatters all the previous structures with plot and story and character.

Perhaps because Rey, Finn, Poe, and Rose struggle with a lot of the things young people in my generation struggle and have struggled with, myself included. Certainly a lot more than the trio from the OT - but those characters were developed in a different time and for a different generation of young people.

All of my teenagers loved both of the new movies. They keep yelling at me to quit making fun of it. Like I said before not made for my generation.

3 minutes ago, TrainedMunkey said:

All of my teenagers loved both of the new movies. They keep yelling at me to quit making fun of it. Like I said before not made for my generation.

Sooooo what you're saying is we need to try even harder?..............

Something I stumbled onto today that I hope will make ya'll chuckle: the Leia scene set to appropriate music. (Warning: it's a tad loud.)

2 minutes ago, Ireul said:

Something I stumbled onto today that I hope will make ya'll chuckle: the Leia scene set to appropriate music. (Warning: it's a tad loud.)

Well, at least there's a good soundtrack on that movie..............

8 minutes ago, 2P51 said:

Sooooo what you're saying is we need to try even harder?..............

They should try even harder to like good Star Wars.

48 minutes ago, Maelora said:

Stuff Marcy disliked (or at least felt was a bit Werewolf the Forsaken):

....is this your way of saying you prefer Werewolf: Apocalypse and found Forsaken a pale imitation? Otherwise I'm not getting the context of this reference

49 minutes ago, Maelora said:

c) Mind-Skype. Actually, I liked the concept; it happens in dreams in the MarcyVerse but I've always felt Star Wars should have proper telepathy. It's just that Rey and Ren didn't feel like they were some kind of living avatars of Light and Dark doing Alignment Seduction to the other. They sounded like a really posh gap-year student having a slight tiff with her edgelord boyfriend.

I actually don't have an issue with the Force communication. They established that to some degree in the OT, with both Luke and Vader having a communication/touch moment, and then Luke and Leia when he was in danger.

2 hours ago, StarkJunior said:

The levels people go to in order to troll or hate on something because of 'X' reason is astronomical. We have analytics to track review content vs. how many hours it takes to beat game without hacks or speedrunning, to help weed out such reviews.

I think it would be easier for one of the largest corps on the planet to influence 300 critics upward then unknown basement trolls to influence 110,000 users downward.

52 minutes ago, Absol197 said:

Or if it had just been telepathy, that'd be fine, too. Or even a mental projection that they could see and no one else could - less fine, but acceptable. And don't even get me started on object manifestation. Just...please don't.

Legends AND canon have hyperspace travel and basically teleportation by the force already.

Space Wales and Lot-wolfs both have access to hyperspace and with the filoni's wolfs it seems to be a force thing. With the Purgills it most likely is as well.

3 hours ago, 2P51 said:

I find when people start talking about the accuracy of polls it's because they don't like the results. TFA and R1 were 88 and 87 respectively and I don't recall arguments over their accuracy then. Personally since the random fans here on this forum are what I am sure, based on in some cases years of posting here, are actual people and die hard fans, and the sort of posts being made here are pretty split between suck/not suck, I think RT is probably pretty accurate.

Box office will be the final judge.

I think the box office of ep 9 will be the judge. This one is running on the vapors of TFA and R1. I know i’ll Be sitting it out until the conventional wisdom has settled. The critical reviews were quite misleading imho.

Just now, korjik said:

I think it would be easier for one of the largest corps on the planet to influence 300 critics upward then unknown basement trolls to influence 110,000 users downward.

Yeah, common sense is such a misleading thing. It easier to use 110,000 bots by one basement troll than for a mega corporation to manipulate 300 critics in SILENCE. Especially after that said mega-corp already got a lot of fire the last time they tried. °_^

1 minute ago, robus said:

I think the box office of ep 9 will be the judge. This one is running on the vapors of TFA and R1. I know i’ll Be sitting it out until the conventional wisdom has settled. The critical reviews were quite misleading imho.

Considering that 9 is again by JJ … LOL. People who loved 8 and hated 7 might be skipping 9 ;-)

2 hours ago, Darzil said:

So, something struck me earlier. We don't seen Leia move any limbs, or breathe or anything really whilst in space. But we do know there is a powerful force user, within visual range, looking at her, who was already sensing her location with the force, who had just decided he didn't want to kill his mother.

Then show it! Have Ren go “Nooooo” and reach out his f’ing hand! I’d buy that and it would be a great demonstration of his conflict. Instead we have something inexplicable.

17 minutes ago, KungFuFerret said:

....is this your way of saying you prefer Werewolf: Apocalypse and found Forsaken a pale imitation? Otherwise I'm not getting the context of this reference

It's an Absol-ism. It's a delicate, ladylike way of saying 'W T F'.

And yeah, I'm a big Apocalypse fan and have never played Forsaken. Phee is teaching me about it as we speak and I am slowly absorbing her mannerisms as she stalks me

(and I'm really going to bed now...)

Just now, SEApocalypse said:

Legends AND canon have hyperspace travel and basically teleportation by the force already.

Space Wales and Lot-wolfs both have access to hyperspace and with the filoni's wolfs it seems to be a force thing. With the Purgills it most likely is as well.

No, see, while teleportation would be...not fine, but not horrid, that's not what hyperspace is, and that's also not what happened in TLJ. Traveling through hyperspace as a Force ability is rather cool, I even had a pet theory that Hyperspace IS the Force, so I'm not opposed to it. But Hyperspace also is not instantaneous for travel, it just makes it super-quick.

But what I mean by object manifestation is what we see with the sea-spray on Ren's glove, or Han's cockpit dice. There was SOMETHING physical there, as Luke touched people and things while projected and had physical substance, and both Leia and Ren handle the dice. But as soon as Luke dies, they disappear, meaning those aren't the original dice. Luke manifested a physical copy on Krait out of nothing, and when he could no longer sustain it ('cause he was dead), it disappeared.

That's not the Force. Or at least, it shouldn't be, in my opinion. I realize now that Mother Talzin did some manifesting in Clone Wars, but it's possible she was just summoning the objects instead, we're not sure.

Please keep in mind this is my opinion.

3 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Yeah, common sense is such a misleading thing. It easier to use 110,000 bots by one basement troll than for a mega corporation to manipulate 300 critics in SILENCE. Especially after that said mega-corp already got a lot of fire the last time they tried. °_^

Critics would really like to get invited back to the early showings and not just Star Wars but Marvel also. You don't think the mouse is above manipulation and black listing. If you want to show The Last Jedi in your theater you have to agree to show it for an extended time and in your biggest house. So then critics walk a fine line. They need to be invited back to the big blockbusters so they can do the reviews yet they have to watch their reputation for good and accurate reviews.

2 minutes ago, Maelora said:

It's an Absol-ism. It's a delicate, ladylike way of saying 'W T F'.

And yeah, I'm a big Apocalypse fan and have never played Forsaken. Phee is teaching me about it as we speak and I am slowly absorbing her mannerisms as she stalks me

(and I'm really going to bed now...)

Our minds have been linked! But not in the weird, Mind-Skype sort of way from this movie, but in a more subtle, "two minds working in concert to achieve a common purpose!" sort of way.

And we all believe you, Marcy. Really we do . You're going to bed. Uh-huh. Sure.

11 minutes ago, Absol197 said:

But what I mean by object manifestation is what we see with the sea-spray on Ren's glove, or Han's cockpit dice. There was SOMETHING physical there, as Luke touched people and things while projected and had physical substance, and both Leia and Ren handle the dice. But as soon as Luke dies, they disappear, meaning those aren't the original dice. Luke manifested a physical copy on Krait out of nothing,

Nope. Just a mind projection, not a hologram, but a projection to the minds and an imperfect one even as he did not leave footprints in the salt. Everyone else did.
What might have been object manifestation or hyperspace travel is the sea water which ends up in Kylo's face. But that might have been as well just sweat.

Furthermore legends force teleportation is actually instantaneous and hyperspace travel can be nearly instantaneous as well, this depends purely on how fast you are actually. Examples are the hyperspace ratings of ships and the star killer hyperspace weapon which is near instantaneous when firing across the literal galaxy. Takes more time to split the beam than reaching the target system.

edit: BTW, Snoke showed the same ability on small scale when he linked Rey and Kylo. It a long-range mind-trick basically. We have seen stuff like this on short-ranges before and we know that the force itself works across the whole galaxy … even when trying to murder someone, like when Talzin tried to kill Dooku via ritual across the galaxy or when Palpatine did his own vision manipulation.

10 minutes ago, TrainedMunkey said:

Critics would really like to get invited back to the early showings and not just Star Wars but Marvel also. You don't think the mouse is above manipulation and black listing. If you want to show The Last Jedi in your theater you have to agree to show it for an extended time and in your biggest house. So then critics walk a fine line. They need to be invited back to the big blockbusters so they can do the reviews yet they have to watch their reputation for good and accurate reviews.

I just said, they got called out on an light incident of trying to manipulate ratings. So they really, really can't do this right away again without a giant risk to screw their business in general. Little to gain, a lot to lose. Unlikely scenario.