So there's pretty much no way Luke isn't going to die, right?

"The Last Jedi.." It's ominous but kind of unoriginal...

"The Last Jedi.." It's ominous but kind of unoriginal...

"Empire Strikes Back" isn't really an ambiguous title, just sayin'.

I believe Rey is a clone of Luke or Anaikin Skywalker anyway, so even if Luke died off, it would still be the skywalker story. Heck, even if Luke died off and she wasn't related, then it would become about Luke's lasting legacy and the galaxy taking up a new guardian and how despite failing to bring back the order, brought back a REY of hope back into the galaxy.

Or we can continue bickering back and fourth on the defination of canon and midachlorians. I can get behind that too.

She cannot be a clone of Anakin or Luke. Clones are identical to their source and and while you can muck with somethings I don't think you can turn them female and still call them a clone.

She's highly unlikely to be a clone of Anakin as I doubt that Luke would take tissue samples before cremating his father (especially after the cloning facilities at Kamino were shut down), and Palpatine would not have had much reason to have samples either. A clone of Luke? Who would take the sample, and why?

It is possible to change the gender of a clone, but then, strictly speaking, it would no longer be a true clone.

I believe Rey is a clone of Luke or Anaikin Skywalker anyway, so even if Luke died off, it would still be the skywalker story. Heck, even if Luke died off and she wasn't related, then it would become about Luke's lasting legacy and the galaxy taking up a new guardian and how despite failing to bring back the order, brought back a REY of hope back into the galaxy.

Or we can continue bickering back and fourth on the defination of canon and midachlorians. I can get behind that too.

Please no clones.

I think that Rey is Luke's daughter, who was kidnapped by Kylo Ren and left on Jakku. Besides, Disney has a horrid habit of sneaking easter eggs into EVERYTHING, and I have it on good authority that Kylo calls Rey 'cousin' in Infinity 3.0.

Which is true, from a certain point of view. She would be a cousin even if she was a clone.

I'm only putting it out there; unfortunately I think it will go exactly as you say which is unfortunate because I want to be surprised.

Remember: this is JJ Abrams we talking about here. This is the same guy who denied that a certain character was who everyone worked out it was 2 seconds into the trailer, telling them it was a whole new character, only to have said character go "I am Khan!" I would say that Abrams doesn't do plot twists but that's the problem, he DOES do them, he's just not very good at it. He's actually atrocious, and it shows that he doesn't really understand the lore he is working with or basic storytelling. He should stop doing it, since it always leads to him lying to the fans, saying "Oh no its not that!" only to have it proven that he is a liar the moment you watch the film. Then again, false drama and set pieces is ALL he's got.

Obviously, the new canon did away with the EU's Leia training in the Force (and probably the survival of anyone trained by Luke post-Endor, likely dead at the hands of the First Order). So we see Rey (the Force Awakening in her) becoming the new apprentice to the Last Jedi, Luke.

Just a little theory of mine, but I believe the Knights of Ren, wich Kylo is the leader of, to be the remaining Padawans that were in Lukes care.

In that context "Ren" could be some sort of title giving to them by Snoke to make their club official. After Kylo revolted against Luke he took the surviving / willing new Padawans and brought them with him into the First Order.

Of course we lack detail and context for what exactly happened with Lukes attempt to train a new generation of Jedi. But I think this would be a neat outcome.

Well, except that Ahsoka gets around that by being thrown out and being an ex-Jedi, Kanan by never having become a Jedi as the council fell whilst a Padawan, and Ezra can't be made a Jedi with no Council.

Perhaps a little tenous of couse!

*nasal voice*

Actually, Kanan is granted the rank of Jedi Knight through the trials of the Jedi Temple on Lothal.

"The Last Jedi.." It's ominous but kind of unoriginal...

Better than The Phantom Menace.

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In regards to Reys heritage.

I don't want her to be anything.

Would be neat if she was just an incarnation of the force itself. Like Anakin, not a clone, not a relative, just the next iteration of the living force taking part in the happenings of the universe.

Her being a direct descendant of the Skywalkers would be pretty boring.

Besides, Kylo Ren already has the part of Star Wars being "The Skywalker Saga" already covered.

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Also: Luke dies. Calling it now.

I actually wouldn't give much on titles. The awekening of the force... well you didn't see a lot of that. Or Return of the Jedi? Watch the end of "The last unicorn", this is how you return! (at least if it is how i remember it from 25 years ago)

to the yoda words about the other jedi: maybe he ment anakin, the words that turned vader were also "I am a jedi! like my father before me!". That would close the arc, and yoda and anakin came good along in the last episodes of Clonewars. This, with a bit of prophecy may lead yoda to his assumption... maybe, like all speculations.

To the movie itself, it is said that they will show a lot of training of rey. Seriously, i am normaly not a darkseer and think they will make it good someway, but this time not. I hate the character, i hate the actress and i hate seeing them training, in a handstand, lifting a rock, while BB8 rols on her feet or something like that. The best way to start this movie would be Luke screaming "It's a trap" pulling out his blaster and firering Rey in her face. I know I know, but think about it, that would realy be an awesome start in this movie!

I'll bet you also enjoyed seeing that ungrateful brat Kylo shove a lightsaber through his father's guts.

I think it was a good scene, but i like Han as a character (and HF can act). So I enjoyed it, but only for the drama. Like the scene when Anakin marches in the jedi temple, or fights obi wan in front of all that lava on mustafa.

My theory is that Darth Plagueis is still alive, and after creating Anakin and that was fun he created Rey, and to make her crazy at the end he put her alone on a stupid desert planet to make her f***ed up so she will turn to the dark side. (or, much closer to the movies, she was birthed by Luke like Bono was birthed according to Southpark)

Theory is wrong. Darth Plagueis is dead. He was killed by Sidious/Palpatine, which is detailed in the novel. Wiki has an excellent synopsis of the book here.

Perhaps mentioned, but "Last Jedi" whether it refers to Luke or Rey obviously implies there won't be another. So, if it's referring to Luke, then Rey won't become a Jedi, perhaps something else (a gray force user?). If it's referring to Rey, then why is she the last one? If she becomes a Jedi, why won't there be more trained by her?

Or it could just mean at the start of the movie, Luke was the last Jedi remaining in the Galaxy. There could be a new one coming in Ep. 9.

the book is non canon now and as important as the ewok movie

@sturn: maybe, because she turns to the dark side. She seems to be good at anything, so she would be a good, overwhelmingly strong evil overboss

or it is realy that: "the last jedi(at the moment)"

Frak. It was published in 2012, and no books before mid-2014 are canon any more. I (mistakenly) thought it was rolled into the new list, but Tarkin is the oldest novel to make the cut.

19 minutes ago, ShadoWarrior said:

Frak. It was published in 2012, and no books before mid-2014 are canon any more. I (mistakenly) thought it was rolled into the new list, but Tarkin is the oldest novel to make the cut.

New Dawn came out before Tarkin.

Flamebait:

A silly cartoon series based off of a silly movie series

11 hours ago, Seguleh said:

I actually wouldn't give much on titles. The awekening of the force... well you didn't see a lot of that. Or Return of the Jedi? Watch the end of "The last unicorn", this is how you return! (at least if it is how i remember it from 25 years ago)

to the yoda words about the other jedi: maybe he ment anakin, the words that turned vader were also "I am a jedi! like my father before me!". That would close the arc, and yoda and anakin came good along in the last episodes of Clonewars. This, with a bit of prophecy may lead yoda to his assumption... maybe, like all speculations.

To the movie itself, it is said that they will show a lot of training of rey. Seriously, i am normaly not a darkseer and think they will make it good someway, but this time not. I hate the character, i hate the actress and i hate seeing them training, in a handstand, lifting a rock, while BB8 rols on her feet or something like that. The best way to start this movie would be Luke screaming "It's a trap" pulling out his blaster and firering Rey in her face. I know I know, but think about it, that would realy be an awesome start in this movie!

This on all points pretty much. I hate to say it, but Rey is just not a likeable character, though I often feel I can't say anything for fear of being plastered a sexist by some people I know. Jyn is awesome, I wish Jyn was Rey instead, and I do hold out hope that maybe VIII will redeem the character, but then I held out hope that the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica was going somewhere and wasn't just gonna pull a Lost on me (that was a big fracking mistake) or that the writing in the New Who would eventually improve (it didn't).

Random ranting done.

I think the key thing with Rey is that she's meant to cultivate an aura of mystery about her; she was dumped in the middle of nowhere, but yet knows all kinds of things that a slave really shouldn't be privery too. She's a masterful mechanic with an affinity for machines who can literally use the force on someone aggressively using it on her. As such she became this character that seemed to literally do anything, yet had no other desire but to go back to a sand heap, almost as if by hypnotic suggestion. The issue is they layered the "special" traits on like a snowfall, even digging out anaikins lightsaber to show how fated she is to do something.

The difference is that movie styles have changed. If there is a plot point, it must be spelled out in CAPITALS ON HOW AWESOME THIS IS OTHERWISE THOSE WITH SHORT ATTENTION SPAN'S MIGHT MISS IT kinda deal. That every movie follows the same formula; Luke had potential, but that potential wasn't made really clear until that death star run where he had to use the force, or die, Annie could drive a pod racer around, build droids and accidentally destroyed a space station when he was what, 6? 9? And now Rey who can literally learn anything given the environment. I blame scriptwriters for falling into the trap though the force has always been a mystical mcguffin of "if you have it then your awesome, training or not".

On 1/24/2017 at 3:01 AM, RicoD said:

Better than The Phantom Menace.

Dasagree. The original six had a very pulp Republic Serial about them. Go look at the titles for the assorted chapters in the first Flash Gordon serial where you get names like The Planet of Peril, Captured by Shark Men, Tournament of Death and In the Claws of the Tigron. It was Commando Cody: Sky Marshal of the Universe (I think - it's been years since I've seen these) that even had an episode called The Phantom Menace Strikes.

Now I realize that clinging to an thematic tone when Disney will be spitting these movies out until the end of time is not reasonable - but to say that The Last Jedi a better title is missing the point of what Lucas was doing.

54 minutes ago, Desslok said:

Dasagree. The original six had a very pulp Republic Serial about them. Go look at the titles for the assorted chapters in the first Flash Gordon serial where you get names like The Planet of Peril, Captured by Shark Men, Tournament of Death and In the Claws of the Tigron. It was Commando Cody: Sky Marshal of the Universe (I think - it's been years since I've seen these) that even had an episode called The Phantom Menace Strikes.

Now I realize that clinging to an thematic tone when Disney will be spitting these movies out until the end of time is not reasonable - but to say that The Last Jedi a better title is missing the point of what Lucas was doing.

I only wish they had stuck with a naming theme.

For instance...

Episode IV was A New Hope. Episode I followed the same naming theme (article > adjective > noun) with The Phantom Menace.

Episode VI was Return of the Jedi. Episode III followed the same naming theme (noun > preposition > article > noun) with Revenge of the Sith.

Episode V was The Empire Strikes Back. It drives me batty that Episode II didn't follow the same naming them (article > noun > verb > adverb) with Attack of the Clones.

Now we have Episode VII, which follows the naming them of Episodes III and VI, and Episode VIII, which follows the naming theme of Episodes I and IV, and they're all out of order!

UGH!

I don't think that the studio execs who decide what name to approve give much consideration to keeping folks with name-focused OCD from having their heads explode.

SO much expected of TFA, all the hype, trailers, looking forward to sets vs green screen etc... SOOO underwhelmed by House of Mouse soft reboot TBH was OK I enjoy the humour and the cameo of Han, Luke etc but..... R1 was awesome IMO.

My GM said last night, along the lines of 'I'm Star Wars'ed Out.' I agree LOL... it was like NOTHING for years (ok we had books, comics, RPGs etc but no films). Lucas could have done 7, 8 and 9 years ago when Harrison would have been up for it.

The 'Last' Jedi will hopefully will be plural and all be Force Sensitive Emergents and some will fall to the dark side and we'll have another 1000 years of Light Siders vs Dark Siders... YEAH RIGHT!

Harrison Ford was never up to another trilogy. He petitioned to have Han Solo killed off in The Empire Strikes Back. Not willing to pull that trigger just yet, they chose to freeze Han Solo in Carbonite, unsure of whether Ford would come back for Return of the Jedi. He did & RotJ almost had a much darker storyline with Han dying halfway through. He's wanted Han Solo dead for years, it only made sense that he would come back to get his wish fulfilled in TFA (that and the paycheck).

Yeah, everyone was so shocked when Han died. Meanwhile I was "So Ford finally got his wish, huh? Saw that coming."