2 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Oh sure. I just mean that, once that moment slipped him by, it's back to scheming an assassination.

Although his partner in crime is now out of the picture.

I wonder if he's going to try and set up something like what happened at the end on the salt planet. "Yes Kylo, you go forward and establish your manliness while I and the rest of the artillery sit back here.....go right ahead..." *waits till he leaves* "Open fire!!"

Or like in Kotor opens fire on his ship.

Btw is there a good explanation why rey couldn t feel luke during her meditation? When she pointed it out, i was like “uhhhhhhh dark secret“ but like so much else it wasn t mentioned anymore. Maybe luke was already dead, just a forceghost on this force island? *crazy theory*

19 minutes ago, Seguleh said:

Btw is there a good explanation why rey couldn t feel luke during her meditation? When she pointed it out, i was like “uhhhhhhh dark secret“ but like so much else it wasn t mentioned anymore. Maybe luke was already dead, just a forceghost on this force island? *crazy theory*

He had cut himself off from the force what was she pointed out. It's also why he didn't know Han was dead, and hadn't reached out to Leia etc.

Ahhh ok thx

1 hour ago, KungFuFerret said:

Out of curiosity, is that actually a photo of him...holding a goat for some reason? Or did someone just photoshop him onto a very weird image because the internet?

I would say because the internet.

43 minutes ago, Seguleh said:

Or like in Kotor opens fire on his ship.

Btw is there a good explanation why rey couldn t feel luke during her meditation? When she pointed it out, i was like “uhhhhhhh dark secret“ but like so much else it wasn t mentioned anymore. Maybe luke was already dead, just a forceghost on this force island? *crazy theory*

She said why she couldn't feel him when she was meditating. "You've cut yourself off from the Force." is the direct line she says to Luke after that. That's why later on, when he goes up to the rock and touches it, it's all dramatic and floaty rocks and stuff. That was the moment that he stopped hiding from everything, and opened himself back up to the Force.

1 hour ago, KungFuFerret said:

That's why later on, when he goes up to the rock and touches it, it's all dramatic and floaty rocks and stuff.

Do you mean when the pebbles start floating around Rey? I think that's her, not him. It happened during her meditation when she sees him hiding from the Force.

Or something else?

No there is that scene later when Luke walks up to the same rock, puts his hand on it, and things go all slow motion and floaty around his hair. And he reaches out to Leia while she's in the coma. She says "Luke" he says "Leia"

Just now, KungFuFerret said:

No there is that scene later when Luke walks up to the same rock, puts his hand on it, and things go all slow motion and floaty around his hair. And he reaches out to Leia while she's in the coma. She says "Luke" he says "Leia"

Oh, right.

On that note, given the significance both give that rock and tapping the Force, do we think it's safe to describe that spot as a Vergence? I know there is the dark side spot below the island, but everything except her vision in that cave, that was dramatically Force related, happened on that rock. She has her Force overload, Luke retaps into the Force, and it's where he floated to send out his awareness for that illusion battle.

Seems like that island had 2 vergences, based on the way they represent things.

Or it might be that the island was really a nobody and its parents were two unimportant tectonic plates long subducted into magma. We'll probably never know...

(But yeah, the rock seems like a good vergence candidate.)

7 hours ago, KungFuFerret said:

Seems like that island had 2 vergences, based on the way they represent things.

He even says so that where is light there is dark. The island itself might be a light side vergence while the cave seems to be a more focused and a dark side one.

48 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

He even says so that where is light there is dark. The island itself might be a light side vergence while the cave seems to be a more focused and a dark side one.

I remember from the original trilogy radio play they referred to these vergance as a nexus. Where light and dark meet. A significant turn for one or the other.

Just had another idea... may be some one has an explanation from some book... but analin became a force ghost... can t he stop by and talk to kylo “dude, ben, believe me, stay on the light side an just use the force for winning pod races. Then u get chicks and money, all u need“

Ofc that would be to simple, but obi wan and yoda made some appearences, i wonder if we will see anakin as a ghost at some point

7 minutes ago, Seguleh said:

Just had another idea... may be some one has an explanation from some book... but analin became a force ghost... can t he stop by and talk to kylo “dude, ben, believe me, stay on the light side an just use the force for winning pod races. Then u get chicks and money, all u need“

Ofc that would be to simple, but obi wan and yoda made some appearences, i wonder if we will see anakin as a ghost at some point

My sense is that any given Force ghost can only appear to a particular person they're connected with (it might even have to be someone who was there when they died). Now that Luke is dead, I doubt we'll be seeing any more Force ghosts of Yoda, Obi-Wan or Anakin.

4 minutes ago, DaverWattra said:

My sense is that any given Force ghost can only appear to a particular person they're connected with (it might even have to be someone who was there when they died). Now that Luke is dead, I doubt we'll be seeing any more Force ghosts of Yoda, Obi-Wan or Anakin.

Not sure about that "has to be there when they died" part. Yoda told Obi-Wan that he had been communicating with Qui-Gon's spirit, and the two of them were half a galaxy apart when Qui-Gon died.

1 hour ago, Nytwyng said:

Not sure about that "has to be there when they died" part. Yoda told Obi-Wan that he had been communicating with Qui-Gon's spirit, and the two of them were half a galaxy apart when Qui-Gon died.

Yeah, good point.

Nice ideas thx. Another detail question: do we know if just the hilt broke or did actualy the cyber crystal shatter of anakins sabre?

And are there more details to the history of the sabre somewhere? It is anakins, i guess, then luke lost it in cloud city, got it back at some point and then when he left to never be found again he put a map inside to be found again.

I don't think anyone trained Anakin/Vader in the technique to become a Force ghost, a la Yoda and Kenobi. Yoda had to go through a whole 3 or 4 episode arc on Clone Wars to learn the skill; then he apparently trained Kenobi (via Force projection, perhaps?). Nobody showed Anakin, and it doesn't seem like a Sith thing, so I doubt Vader learned. Ergo, I think Anakin's appearance at the end of RotJ was a one time thing.

He could show up in Episode IX, though.

Personally, I hope they have Mark Hamill back as Luke, and if he doesn't talk to Rey, he treats Kylo the way Luke treated Cade Skywalker in the Legacy comics.

3 hours ago, Seguleh said:

Nice ideas thx. Another detail question: do we know if just the hilt broke or did actualy the cyber crystal shatter of anakins sabre?

And are there more details to the history of the sabre somewhere? It is anakins, i guess, then luke lost it in cloud city, got it back at some point and then when he left to never be found again he put a map inside to be found again.

It's the saber Anakin built as a Jedi. Kenobi took it after Anakin got crisped on Mustafar at the end of RotS. Then he held onto it for 19 years, until he handed it over to Luke. Luke lost his hand and the saber on Cloud City, and it fell. Someone found it (I think the EU had it get sucked into a garbage chute, and some scavenger found it), and it eventually ended up in Maz's hands, where she stuck it in a box in a storage room. The Force led Rey to it, she and Finn traded it back and forth for a while, then Rey tried to give it to Luke. He noped out of that, and Rey kept it until she and Kylo tugged it to pieces. Luke hadn't seen it since Cloud City, is my understanding.

My impression was that the crystal broke - hence the boom. Maybe they'll mention it in the novelization.

9 hours ago, DaverWattra said:

(it might even have to be someone who was there when they died).

Qui-Gon with his imperfect technique could still contact yoda. Serenity, Joy, Sadness, Anger and Confusion as well had no trouble appearing to Yoda. Now Anakin in general might never learned the technique at all, so his appearance to Luke at Endor might have been a one-time event, granted by his old friends and the force itself.

3 hours ago, coyote6 said:

My impression was that the crystal broke - hence the boom. Maybe they'll mention it in the novelization.

Quite possibly, it looked rather jagged ended in the broken saber hilt when Rey showed it to Leia.

The really amazing thing about it, having watched Clone Wars, is that Anakin learned to keep track of lightsabers well enough to consider one his !

4 hours ago, Darzil said:

The really amazing thing about it, having watched Clone Wars, is that Anakin learned to keep track of lightsabers well enough to consider one his !

I may be mis-remembering, but didn't he lose one on Geonosis and then another Jedi threw he and Obi-Wan some spares?

1 minute ago, Vorzakk said:

I may be mis-remembering, but didn't he lose one on Geonosis and then another Jedi threw he and Obi-Wan some spares?

He seemed to lose one in almost every episode he appeared in, so I can't recall exactly !

Here you go guys, chew on this line of thought: