The Reylo storyline was my favorite part of Ep8. Driver continued to be awesome in his second movie and they really backed off the aspect of Rey that I didn't like in Ep7. That said, I think they missed a massive opportunity for good storytelling when they had Kylo go LolBadDark after he had won Rey over. If he had simply continued to not kill his mother, that would have left us in real suspense about where the story was going. I know Star Wars is a story about black and white but it is also a story about journeys from the Dark to the Light. When we threw Luke's legacy on the pyre, the benefit was that we set Kylo up to be a sympathetic character who we knew exactly why he went bad so we could root for him to be good again. As it is now, he is rather one-dimensional.

Least one dimensional villain in the entire saga.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the First Order, built on order, survives being led by a chaotic, unbalanced leader. If it was me rather than JJ, I think the First Order would be splintering quickly.

6 hours ago, Darzil said:

I'm looking forward to seeing how the First Order, built on order, survives being led by a chaotic, unbalanced leader. If it was me rather than JJ, I think the First Order would be splintering quickly.

Well, we know that Hux more than contemplated just shooting Kylo when he had the chance - and the embarassment that was the last battle can't have been good for unity either. I'd be suprised if there wasn't at least some infighting in IX.

It was a good setup for their future conflict seeing how Hux kept repeating Kylo’s commands. I wonder whether the military would even acknowledge Kylo’s orders.

2 hours ago, DanteRotterdam said:

It was a good setup for their future conflict seeing how Hux kept repeating Kylo’s commands. I wonder whether the military would even acknowledge Kylo’s orders.

Remember how Kylo Force-slams Hux, and then the gorilla mech driver immediately goes "right away, sir" or something to that effect? I think the soldiers know which way the wind is blowing.

How many of them can he slam? That kind of in-your-force treatment does its job for a time, but fear works as a motivator only until it turns into hatred or disgust where people are willing to suffer just to oppose you. Vader combined fear with competence (and yes, he spent quite a bit of time working his way back up to top dog after Ep4, as can be seen in his comics) and the targets of his rage mostly had fallen out of the Empire's favor due to their missteps. Vader acts from a position of power and uses his personal abilities to vent his rage - Kylo needs to use his personal abilities to retain his power in the first place.

Vader also was known to have the Emperor's favour. Kylo is now the person in charge, but without having shown strategy or diplomacy so far, unlike Snoke or Palpatine.

On 22/12/2017 at 6:05 PM, copperbell said:

I wonder what if they filmed it from within the ship?

The bridge ruptures everyone in reach swept out before the internal doors slam shut.

Nearest inside runs to gaze at the devastation they notice Leia floating back inside they don whatever they need to seal their Vacc Suit and with help pull her inside.

They quickly realise she's still alive rushing her to the medical bay and a ready bacta tank it's only after does it sink in what they witnessed.

Seriously though why aren't they wearing Vacc suits?

So, after a rewatch, we don't see it all in total detail, but ...

When Leia is floating back in, we see her moving toward a corridor at the side of the bridge that has an (open) door on the bridge side, and a closed one on the far end.

We see those watching Leia leave the door they are watching at (which has bridge immediately inside, no corridor) and run down the corridor.

Then we see them open a door and let Leia in.

So whilst we don't see the door at the bridge side close behind Leia, that is the only thing we don't see.

2 hours ago, Darzil said:

So, after a rewatch, we don't see it all in total detail, but ...

When Leia is floating back in, we see her moving toward a corridor at the side of the bridge that has an (open) door on the bridge side, and a closed one on the far end.

We see those watching Leia leave the door they are watching at (which has bridge immediately inside, no corridor) and run down the corridor.

Then we see them open a door and let Leia in.

So whilst we don't see the door at the bridge side close behind Leia, that is the only thing we don't see.

Yea i looked for that too on the rewatch and i thought i saw a tiny corridor and a door archway behind her.

38 minutes ago, mouthymerc said:

Gotta love how everything ends up on facebook as stolen goods

Someone else did a much better version of this idea, and did it earlier:

Seems to me people are just setting themselves up for disappointment again. https://m.ranker.com/list/fan-theories-about-rey-and-kylo-ren-in-star-wars/stephanroget?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=pd&pgid=763663430350503&utm_campaign=kylo_ren_rey_theory_add_on&asid=23842720994570024&psid=1782894895094013

Well, this movie didn t give us realy much information, almost none, sooo people are grieving for a good story. And a lot of answers.

Or.... you didn’t like the information that was given.

I can understand disappointment. One of the reasons I don't care for the prequel trilogy as much as the original is because it didn't meet my expectations. Personally I have learned to temper my expectations this time around, which is why I enjoyed TLJ so much more than I might have had I invested too much in many of the theories. My theories for the PT had about 20 years to percolate. I like that the new trilogy is tearing down preconceived notions. Hopefully to build new ones, but we shall see.

On 1/5/2018 at 11:26 AM, splad said:

If you have a particular question in mind about something i have opinion-ed on then by all means lets roast that particular marshmallow.

Where to begin....

On 1/5/2018 at 2:16 PM, Khazadune said:

I’m sorry you feel that way. I was trying to defuse a situation before people who might otherwise be friends say things that cause them to stop enjoying content that we are all here, obstensibly, to do. My suggestion, was intended as such, an option. I find that in online settings it’s easy to speak tough but harder to be kind.

There's nothing to "defuse." If someone continues to be a hypocrite and belittle others, I'll continue to call them on it.

On 1/6/2018 at 9:56 AM, Cifer said:

Well, we know that Hux more than contemplated just shooting Kylo when he had the chance - and the embarassment that was the last battle can't have been good for unity either. I'd be suprised if there wasn't at least some infighting in IX.

Seems the "Journey to The Last Jedi" tie-ins have had multiple seeds in them. Leia introduced Crait and Holdo. Phasma gave us...well...Phasma's backstory...but it also established that (Armitage) Hux conspired with Phasma to kill his father, Brendol Hux. He seemed more conniving and patient in that respect. Who knows what wheels might be turning in his mind regarding Kylo....

19 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Where to begin....

Go for it. After all this is less a rpg forum more of a Star Wars digest.

5 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

He seemed more conniving and patient in that respect. Who knows what wheels might be turning in his mind regarding Kylo....

Well I think he figured with Kylo unconscious, it was his best chance of killing him without being utterly destroyed by his Force powers. So he tried to take the opportunity while it was there. Which makes sense, even for a patient, scheming guy, given the powers at Kylo's disposal.

1 minute ago, splad said:

Go for it. After all this is less a rpg forum more of a Star Wars digest.

Out of curiosity, is that actually a photo of him...holding a goat for some reason? Or did someone just photoshop him onto a very weird image because the internet?

Just now, KungFuFerret said:

Well I think he figured with Kylo unconscious, it was his best chance of killing him without being utterly destroyed by his Force powers. So he tried to take the opportunity while it was there. Which makes sense, even for a patient, scheming guy, given the powers at Kylo's disposal.

Oh sure. I just mean that, once that moment slipped him by, it's back to scheming an assassination.

Although his partner in crime is now out of the picture.