6 hours ago, Seguleh said:

For example why do we build deathstars if we can just build a hyperspace propulsion in a large asteroide and smack it into a planet...

Even if you are happy with such extreme acts, it'd be situational anyway. You can't use it anywhere you care about, as based on Pammant (which may not be canon but is in the FFG game), a large ship colliding with the planet, as well as destroying it, cooked everything in system with radiation.

So yeah, even more destructive than death star, but you would only use it sparingly.

7 hours ago, Seguleh said:

For example why do we build deathstars if we can just build a hyperspace propulsion in a large asteroide and smack it into a planet...

I think this really represents the technology and attitudes of the time. During the 70s they could never have conceived of the very real possibility of meteoric terrorism, even though today if you check out the future timeline which projects earths history based on the current level of knowledge and how it is expected to develope meteoric twrrorism is shown to be a real possibility in the future.

when the movies were created we were barely in space and there was no way of rally conceiving of something like that, however what we did have was these super weapons called nuclear bombs just sitting around that could destroy the earth.

6 hours ago, whafrog said:

Because you lose the engine every time, and it can't double as a battle station.

Plus you've got to add a reactor to power the hyperdrive, and this is going to be a Death Star-sized hyperdrive. And sublight thrusters to maneuver into position (unless you're building it in the target system). And shields and armour to protect the engines. And bring along a whole fleet to prevent interception whilst it travels into the system. And it's potentially stoppable by an interdiction field so you need to send your fleet to the target system anyway.

If you're going to do all that, you may as well just build another Death Star. At least it can support the fleet it needs to protect itself.

Nope sorry, first of all u are oversizing the problems. A one time kamikaze ship would be sooo much cheaper. I dont want to get started on maintenance, sleeping facilities and so on what u need on a real ship. But even if u just take what we saw, a home vs a superduper stardestroyers and several normal star destroyers...

Now u could strip the home one of a lot of things, strip the reactor to an one or two times battery thing, or make it just not refillable. No weapons, no life support for a fewhundred people and so on.

Kamikaze hyperspace ram would be THE thing! A star destroyer? Ram it with an nebulon. Deathstar? Ram it with an star destroyer. Done. Cost to damage ratio 10000:1

Especially now, when it is difficult to hit because laser artillery drops during flight.... even without gravity...

It was just a weird scene. Also how can one person fly this ship, and she is not even a mon calamari... ok she also didnt want to tell anyone her plan just to show how important she was... ah you can watch this movie but not think about it.

Her plan just involved the helm controls so one person could do it easily. Also the idea tht you need to be Mon Calamari to pilot one of their ships was strictly Legends and have probably no longer applied Legends when the ship was built because it was a post MC80 design.

Bombs? In Space!?! Not in MY Star Wars!!!

6 hours ago, Seguleh said:

It was just a weird scene. Also how can one person fly this ship, and she is not even a mon calamari... ok she also didnt want to tell anyone her plan just to show how important she was... ah you can watch this movie but not think about it.

Such nonsense. You are literally bending over backwards to find fault with the movie now.

How can one person fly this ship?

By piloting it. Seems not too difficult. You are aware that the largest and the smallest airplanes still can be flown by one pilot right?

She is not a mon calamari?

Why is that an issue?! This is just reaching...

She didn’t want to tell her pkan to anyone?

No she didn’t want to tell it to one guy who had no business getting in her face after being demoted hours before. In what situation does an Admiral answer to a captain?

6 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

In what situation does an Admiral answer to a captain?

But he's so pretty in the face and his hair is arranged so nicely!

https://mobile.twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/944963236306198528

6 hours ago, Seguleh said:

Kamikaze hyperspace ram would be THE thing! A star destroyer? Ram it with an nebulon. Deathstar? Ram it with an star destroyer. Done. Cost to damage ratio 10000:1

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13 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

No she didn’t want to tell it to one guy who had no business getting in her face after being demoted hours before. In what situation does an Admiral answer to a captain?

One of the biggest ironies is that some of the people who called for Poe being shot right away when landing on the Raddus demanded as well that the Admiral is telling Poe her plan right away despite the possibility of a spy on board. Because Rose and Finns claim of hyperspace tracking via first order ships is not confirmed at all. It is not confirmed in the whole movie actually, even when Rose and Finn are convinced that they did figure the first order out.

18 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Because Rose and Finns claim of hyperspace tracking via first order ships is not confirmed at all.

They also decide not to share this possibly vital information with Holdo until their scheme is well underway.

That and Poe was an arrogant fly boy who thought he knew better then everyone else. He needed teaching a lesson in humility and, if he insisted on flying unauthorised ops in defiance of his superiors, then he deserved to be kept on a strict need to know basis.

their only mistake in that regard was underestimating how far he was willing to go. No one even knew of the plan up until the point he mutiny, nor really noticed the absence of two of their personal until much too late. Also was quite surprising how much of the crew was die hard loyal to Poe, given almost his entire flight team was wiped out at that point.

Well... it was only four or five of them though right?

I am still baffled by the hatred pointed at Holdo’s actions when eventually Poe himself seems to have learned a highly valuable lesson from them and achieves huge character development because of it.

Though not enough development not to tell Finn and Rose about the cloaked ships when someone was listening in, leading to that information being sold to the First Order and the ships attacked.

That was before.

Nice try though.

17 minutes ago, Darzil said:

Though not enough development not to tell Finn and Rose about the cloaked ships when someone was listening in, leading to that information being sold to the First Order and the ships attacked.

Gotta hit rock bottom before you can get better. Doesn't matter if you're an addict or a character in a story.

On 12/24/2017 at 2:51 PM, Seguleh said:

Is this “is rey a m. sue“- thing still going on? I think everything to this discusiion has been said 3 times at least, and in the new movie there is lot of other stuff to be discussed.

For example why do we build deathstars if we can just build a hyperspace propulsion in a large asteroide and smack it into a planet...

Well, firstly, you'd have to be REALLY close to the planet to do any damage by activating hyperspace propulsion on a large asteroid (if you mean like they did with the ship in the movie). Like in-atmosphere close.
And by that time, the planet would have been evacuated (if a small base like the rebel base) or the asteroid destroyed by the planetary defense.

There was actually an "asteroid cannon" in the SWTOR MMO game. It was basically a gigantic space station that gathered asteroids and propelled them into a planets surface.

So, if there was something like that built thousands of years ago, I'd assume that most planets have a suitable defense against that nowadays.

If you're talking about using a hyperdrive to propel an asteroid into a collision course with a planet (ie. dropping the rock out of hyperspace before impacting the planet), it should be noted that spaceships don't seem to come out of hyperspace at any speed, so inertia doesn't seem to be kept between hyperspace jumps.

I thought u still do the astrogation exactly because you need zo be sure to not fly through smth even in hyperspace. Therefore you don t need to be close for hyperspace ram. At least as far as i imagine it.

And still, me and a lot of friends of mine think that realy a lot of szenes were stretched out over the top.

The hyperspace ram, leas surviving and superman flight, the one x wing vs a whole dreadnought, the ship that sneaked up on the supership, the stormtroopers that disappeared arround rose and fyn after the crash

And i also want to point out, that my posts are not intended to start a fight or proof that my view is the only right one. I just want to know what u like and what u didnt like so much and also wanna share my experience and impressions during watching it. So please cut phrases like “ thats nonsense“ and “u r just bending to dislike the movie“ such things are just poisoning the discussions climate. Thx

And as i said, as a while i liked the movie

15 hours ago, Seguleh said:

Nope sorry, first of all u are oversizing the problems. A one time kamikaze ship would be sooo much cheaper. I dont want to get started on maintenance, sleeping facilities and so on what u need on a real ship. But even if u just take what we saw, a home vs a superduper stardestroyers and several normal star destroyers...

Now u could strip the home one of a lot of things, strip the reactor to an one or two times battery thing, or make it just not refillable. No weapons, no life support for a fewhundred people and so on.

Kamikaze hyperspace ram would be THE thing! A star destroyer? Ram it with an nebulon. Deathstar? Ram it with an star destroyer. Done. Cost to damage ratio 10000:1

Especially now, when it is difficult to hit because laser artillery drops during flight.... even without gravity...

It was just a weird scene. Also how can one person fly this ship, and she is not even a mon calamari... ok she also didnt want to tell anyone her plan just to show how important she was... ah you can watch this movie but not think about it.

The Turbolaser shots didnt drop. The apparent drop is due to the Raddus moving. The turbolaser shots were shot from above and leading the Raddus, due to the slow speed of turbolasers and the range. This causes the apparent angle of the motion to change when you are watching from the Raddus reference frame.

No storm troopers disappeared around Finn and Rose.

When Finn woke up Rose was already pulling him along the floor. Who knows how far she had already.

7 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

No storm troopers disappeared around Finn and Rose.

When Finn woke up Rose was already pulling him along the floor. Who knows how far she had already.

First she has him on her improvised "gurney", then she pulls him along on the ground, and then he pulls her from the wreckage of her mono-ski and back to the base.

Pulling is their thing.

Don't you think an object big enough like a huge asteroid or a huge capital ship can create gravity, even a small amount to attract bombs like in the V ? or even the VIII ?

Eh what? Do u ask me? or stan? I didnt understand why he posted this. Ehm, ok thats hard to answer. I always thought the bombers in episode 5 send the bombs out “down“ from their perspective, and they would continue to fly in this direction.

On the otherside han solo and the rest can walk around in this asteroid. Looking like one g. Maybe they had devices that help with that, possible, because even small ships like the falcon have complete artificial gravity.

If we do pure realistic gravity, an asteroids would be realy realy low. To hit it from a moving ship like an tie bomber, u could not rely on it, u would have to calculate ur speeds very carefully. And as asteroid i would define anything that is to light to become realy round, for this example.