All pics I posted are ISD 2s. Conning tower tells you, and the SSD. And that's just picture 1 of underside, not of an ISD 1
That and ILM themselves said that ratios and scale between ISD 1s and 2s are the same.
Edited by LobokaiChimera ISD
This is how a longer narrower hull, larger bridge, would look in an Armada stand:
Mercy is a Chimaera as the Inquisitors used to say....
All pics I posted are ISD 2s. Conning tower tells you, and the SSD. And that's just picture 1 of underside, not of an ISD 1
That and ILM themselves said that ratios and scale between ISD 1s and 2s are the same.
But it doesn't explain why the predominant ISD portrayal is that of a larger bridge section and narrower/longer beam/hull, specifically that of the ISD Avenger.
ISD Avenger:
http://68.media.tumblr.com/92aae47920d69572b604a9079045cde3/tumblr_og0g6u50Ht1s2wio8o2_1280.jpg
Battlefront ISD:
http://cdn.hitfix.com/photos/6069832/Star-Wars-Battlefront--Jakku.jpg
Disney die cast ISD:
Revell model ISD:
http://www.revell.com/product-images/85-1638-lg.jpg
I'm actually pretty sure now that the FFG modelers just used Fractalsponge's rendering as the reference. Because that render lines up nearly identically. Plus, it gives you all the different sides of the ISD, so you wouldn't need to reference anything else.
This is how a longer narrower hull, larger bridge, would look in an Armada stand:
If I send you 2 of the Die cast ISDs, can you just do whatever you did there to them? 
I don't think that would be money wise, since I live in Spain and those die cast are heavy :-)
But I just took a keyhole peg from one of my Victories, drilled the bottom of the die cast to fit the peg in, and glued the finn stand to make sure that baby won't fall.
I don't think that would be money wise, since I live in Spain and those die cast are heavy :-)
But I just took a keyhole peg from one of my Victories, drilled the bottom of the die cast to fit the peg in, and glued the finn stand to make sure that baby won't fall.
What did you use to get that detail to pop like that?
ILM themselves said that ratios and scale between ISD 1s and 2s are the same.
Where? I've seen lots of attempts to examine the two designs - and the consensus seems to be that the ISD1 is proportionally wider.
that's just picture 1 of underside, not of an ISD 1
It's got a quad laser in the trench notch - which the ISD2 lacks.
All pics I posted are ISD 2s. Conning tower tells you, and the SSD.
The conning tower is (except for the targeting array) an ISD1 conning tower - this was an example of Lucasfilm recycling an old prop.
In the ion cannon scene - we see the Star Destroyer change from ISD1 (engine baffles make this clear) to ISD2. Suggesting that, to Lucasfilm, the differences are relatively unimportant - so they use different props to represent the same ships.
Edited by Ironlord9 hours ago, Gadgetron said:What did you use to get that detail to pop like that?
It's a regular paint job. Primed the model in black, and then applied different shades of grey, lightening progressively the areas I wanted to pop.
I really don't see the huge issue with the FFG ISD. All of the pictures you post claiming the movie ISD's bridges are soo much larger are merely a matter of perspective. You comparing a shot of an ISD in the movie that would literally be you looking at the FFG model right up to your eye. The camera perspective matters. Take your model and move it close to your face and you will see that the bridge looks a lot bigger in that angle compared to looking at the model far away. The die cast model looks all wrong from a distance to my eye. It looks way too big. If you look at the FFG ISD the bridge extends to just past the top most edge of the top command platform if you want to call it that. The movie ISD does the same thing. If anything I can see a slight point the FFG ISD is slightly wider but not by much at all. The die cast model looks really bad.
2 hours ago, BMcDonald7 said:I really don't see the huge issue with the FFG ISD. All of the pictures you post claiming the movie ISD's bridges are soo much larger are merely a matter of perspective. You comparing a shot of an ISD in the movie that would literally be you looking at the FFG model right up to your eye. The camera perspective matters. Take your model and move it close to your face and you will see that the bridge looks a lot bigger in that angle compared to looking at the model far away. The die cast model looks all wrong from a distance to my eye. It looks way too big. If you look at the FFG ISD the bridge extends to just past the top most edge of the top command platform if you want to call it that. The movie ISD does the same thing. If anything I can see a slight point the FFG ISD is slightly wider but not by much at all. The die cast model looks really bad.
A few people have said this, and with the exception of Lobokai and the RotJ Star destroyer, no one has been able to take the FFG ISD and the images of the ISD Avenger and make them similar.
7 hours ago, Gadgetron said:A few people have said this, and with the exception of Lobokai and the RotJ Star destroyer, no one has been able to take the FFG ISD and the images of the ISD Avenger and make them similar.
Hang on, so "With the exception of the times they made it look similar it doesn't look similar" ????
29 minutes ago, Teloch said:Hang on, so "With the exception of the times they made it look similar it doesn't look similar" ????
There are no "times" they looked similar, there is a single screenshot, all other depictions of the ISD II (and I've looked!) use this as the primary source:
Now, if you can make the FFG ISD match the above images using a perspective shot comparison, I'll concede!
I didn't see it before, but Ironlord makes a good point, the Star Destroyer image Lobokai found is an ISD I not ISD II which is what FFG modeled.
I think your just not listening to others who have said they don't see the FFG model as being far off. You won't even address the camera angle and realize that perspective matters a lot in all of these shots. If you would take the die cast model you hold up as the grail and take the same camera angle I think you would see the bridge tower is too big. To me the die cast model looks out of proportion. I don' think the FFG model is perfect but it isn't as bad as you keep claiming. Literally I just took your first linked image of the ISD Stalker and compared it to the FFG model held up at the same close angle to my eye and it looks fine. The Bridge tower is not at all too small as you keep saying....
Look at a side shot of the ISD2 model
The tower doesn't look so massive as your close in shots off the bow of the ISD. You can literally hold your FFG ISD at a distance with your hand so they are the same size and they are remarkably similar.
Edited by BMcDonald7I like the FFG ISD.....
..... I can feel your anger.
2 hours ago, BMcDonald7 said:I think your just not listening to others who have said they don't see the FFG model as being far off. You won't even address the camera angle and realize that perspective matters a lot in all of these shots. If you would take the die cast model you hold up as the grail and take the same camera angle I think you would see the bridge tower is too big. To me the die cast model looks out of proportion. I don' think the FFG model is perfect but it isn't as bad as you keep claiming. Literally I just took your first linked image of the ISD Stalker and compared it to the FFG model held up at the same close angle to my eye and it looks fine. The Bridge tower is not at all too small as you keep saying....
Look at a side shot of the ISD2 model
The tower doesn't look so massive as your close in shots off the bow of the ISD. You can literally hold your FFG ISD at a distance with your hand so they are the same size and they are remarkably similar.
Won't address perspective shots? I've asked numerous times for someone to post those perspective shots that make the FFG ISD match the Avenger ISD! No one has!
Unfortunately this side shot doesn't address the beam of the ship, it may be a similar sized bridge in this shot, but the beam is going to throw off the scale.
This is why I post the ISD photos from the front and why I'm asking people who say that they're the same use those perspectives.
Does the chimeara have a unique paint job and if so can someone describe it or post a pic?
7 minutes ago, fistfulofforce said:Does the chimeara have a unique paint job and if so can someone describe it or post a pic?
I did
And Now, with EXTRA CONTRAST
50 minutes ago, Gadgetron said:Won't address perspective shots? I've asked numerous times for someone to post those perspective shots that make the FFG ISD match the Avenger ISD! No one has!
Unfortunately this side shot doesn't address the beam of the ship, it may be a similar sized bridge in this shot, but the beam is going to throw off the scale.
This is why I post the ISD photos from the front and why I'm asking people who say that they're the same use those perspectives.
Can you explain beam? Im assuming your talking about the width?
The FFG model is a little too wide. If it was narrower the model would be perfect. The bridge is correctly sized if you look at the head on pic of the ISD chasing the Falcon. The sides should be lined up with the top dorsal tier.
Edited by Forresto1 hour ago, Forresto said:Can you explain beam? Im assuming your talking about the width?
The FFG model is a little too wide. If it was narrower the model would be perfect. The bridge is correctly sized if you look at the head on pic of the ISD chasing the Falcon. The sides should be lined up with the top dorsal tier.
Yes, beam is the widest point of a ship. So, even if everything else is correctly proportioned, if the beam were to wide, or too narrow for that matter, it will change all the other proportions.
In this case, the FFG ISD is far to wide, that makes the bridge small and the length short.
Yes, the bridge is correct compared to its superstructure.
Both models are great, one is best fit for a ISD-I, and the other for a ISD-Ii. Maybe none is perfect.
Front view (almost) of the Die Cast model. The bridge seems correct to me too:
Ok. I'm going to hunt down some production shots and try to take similar shots with my crappy phone camera and see how close we really are/aren't.
It seems to me we're close with FFG model... But I've got now problem displaying my findings if its way off. However if I'm only able to find ISD I props, I'm going to insist that's good enough because ILM has consistently insisted that an ISD II was the same width and length as an ISD I. I cannot find a statement one way or another on the command structure
Okay all... Ell... the model you were using is based off the old WEG schematics, which are sadly wrong (I love WEG, but they made a longer narrower hull from their imagination). BTW, beautiful job getting that up on the stand and painted up like you did!
I found a render that matched near perfectly with photos of the production models (because I needed a straight on rear shot, the rest are compared to the real thing)... as said above I then took shakey/slightly off the way they should have been taken pictures... it took 45 minutes of playing with mostly Star Wars movie set photos and my photos to line them up properly (I was watching TV too). I also figured I'd take on two birds with one stone and show how perspective can radically alter the apparent size of a command structure by taking two pictures with my camera to illustrate that effect (bottom right).
I think we can now definitively say, that within the realm of 5% (at most) that we have a match from the true canon Star Wars cinematic production ISDs and the model FFG produced for Armada.
And, BTW, this also puts the much maligned FractalSponge render dead on too... just saying... but I do not think that was their reference. You can see in the rear shots and in the front part of the lower superstructure that the FFG and ILM models have some agreements with each other that the FS render does not, Fractal also has a slightly shorter command bridge than the ILM model, and the FFG model agrees with the ILM dimensions. So Fractal is really really close, but I believe the FFG model was taken from ILM workshop photos and the couple surviving models and not the FS render.
Edited by LobokaiWow well done, that's very convincing. Excellent detective work.
I think it was the Colliding Star Destroyers (ships on the far right and far left)
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that set the precedent for "ISD 2 is slimmer than ISD1". The middle ship has a slight roll, making it look narrower than it really is - but the other two are about right.